Spoilers God-level tech aliens and who wasn't mentioned

[Citiprime]

In the latest episode, Admiral Vance name drops some of the heavy hitters in Trek lore when it comes to god-tier abilities. The Metrons from TOS's "Arena," Iconians from TNG's "Contagion" and DS9's "To The Death," Nacene (aka Voyager’s Caretaker), and the Q.

However, I found it interesting who he didn't mention and whether it might indicate something about their status in the 32nd century.

Vance doesn't mention the Organians or especially the Prophets.

Since the DMA has some aspects of an artificial wormhole, it would seem reasonable to wonder whether the "wormhole aliens" might have some connection to the anomaly. On a story level, it also make me wonder if this might be the reason the president was made to have a Bajoran/Cardassian lineage.

 

[Yistaan]

In the latest episode, Admiral Vance name drops some of the heavy hitters in Trek lore when it comes to god-tier abilities. The Metrons from TOS's "Arena," Iconians from TNG's "Contagion" and DS9's "To The Death," Nacene (aka Voyager’s Caretaker), and the Q.

However, I found it interesting who he didn't mention and whether it might indicate something about their status in the 32nd century.

Vance doesn't mention the Organians or especially the Prophets.

Since the DMA has some aspects of an artificial wormhole, it would seem reasonable to wonder whether the "wormhole aliens" might have some connection to the anomaly. On a story level, it also make me wonder if this might be the reason the president was made to have a Bajoran/Cardassian lineage.

Stamets: So Admiral, I've determined that the dark matter anomaly has a neutron flow tachyon polarity of 12.7 micro--

Vance: Can you stop with the technobabble for, like, all of 5 seconds? Starfleet Command has determined everything we need to know about the anomaly. We're facing the Wrath of Dukat.

Burnham: Who?

Vance: Sigh.

Kovich: Him again? Haven't seen him since the Dominion Wars.

Vance: Wait, what? You fought in the Dominion Wars?

Kovich: Well, of course. Under a different name, since I haven't gone by the name of Odo since, oh, before the Burn.

 

[Nerys Myk]

In the latest episode, Admiral Vance name drops some of the heavy hitters in Trek lore when it comes to god-tier abilities. The Metrons from TOS's "Arena," Iconians from TNG's "Contagion" and DS9's "To The Death," Nacene (aka Voyager’s Caretaker), and the Q.

However, I found it interesting who he didn't mention and whether it might indicate something about their status in the 32nd century.

Vance doesn't mention the Organians or especially the Prophets.

Since the DMA has some aspects of an artificial wormhole, it would seem reasonable to wonder whether the "wormhole aliens" might have some connection to the anomaly. On a story level, it also make me wonder if this might be the reason the president was made to have a Bajoran/Cardassian lineage.

The DMA doesn't seem to be in the Prophets or the Organinan's lane. They more or less keep to themselves until poked.

 

[Phily B]

I don't think The Prophets are on the same level as the others, their domain appears to be rather limited. They're gods in their own pocket dimension with limited abilities to interfere outside of that.

 

[DaveyNY]

I don't think The Prophets are on the same level as the others, their domain appears to be rather limited. They're gods in their own pocket dimension with limited abilities to interfere outside of that.

That and the fact they seem to always choose not to.
It seems They just want to be left alone.

 

[XCV330]

whatever V'ger/Decker/Ilia became might be that powerful.

Kevin Uxbridge, but his species doesn't kill, unless they do. and then they really kill.

The Greco-Roman Pantheon. Doubt we'll see them again

The jahsepp are somewhat unknowns. Not godlike powers but the basically ARE the Mycelial network and can control it. their main weakness is some kind of tree bark. They did get a mention again recently.

The Kelvan Empire: it's about time for them to start heading into this Galaxy en-masse right? maybe they have better weapons besides turning people into salt crystals, now. They're not god-tech but are more advanced than most of the Milky Way civilizations and are somewhat desperate.

 

[Citiprime]

I don't think The Prophets are on the same level as the others, their domain appears to be rather limited. They're gods in their own pocket dimension with limited abilities to interfere outside of that.

Over the course of DS9, even though they're non-linear, I think an argument can be made that they slowly want to take on the "God/Deity" role compared to how they're portrayed in the pilot for the series. The Prophets' interaction with "The Sisko" leads them to take a more active role in Bajor, Sisko's creation and life, and ultimately "corporeal matters."

In "The Emissary," they're totally oblivious to the concept of linear time or life outside the wormhole. By the time of "Sacrifice of Angels," they demand a penance from Sisko when he confronts them about "wanting to be gods."

Also, if Gul Dukat was correct in the Pah-Wraith's intentions, the Prophets/Pah-Wraiths are capable of "burning" across the galaxy.

 

[DEWLine]

The Pah-Wraiths would just burn everything and everyone they could without this puttering around the DMA's been seen doing.

 

[TedShatner10]

The Machine Planet and others of V'Ger's kin?

Those floating head dudes from TNG's "The Nth Degree"?

 

[XCV330]

Those floating head dudes from TNG's "The Nth Degree"?

they seemed cool, but a little bit irresponsible and extremely lazy. and they don't seem to have been mentioned again, as with all super-overcharged beings who aren't Q

 

[Enterprise1701]

Vance doesn't mention the Organians or especially the Prophets.

The DMA doesn't seem to be in the Prophets or the Organinan's lane. They more or less keep to themselves until poked.

Yeah, the Organians are a sufficiently popular subject in non-canon novels and comics, but over in the Trek Lit forum, a arguable flaw in writer reasoning is pointed out every so often. The Organians in their sole canonical appearance displayed strong insularity and xenophobia. They didn't give a real damn about the fate of humanoid society; they just wanted the stupid hooligan children to leave them alone and stop messing up the neighbourhood.

 

[Tim Thomason]

Yeah, the Organians are a sufficiently popular subject in non-canon novels and comics, but over in the Trek Lit forum, a arguable flaw in writer reasoning is pointed out every so often. The Organians in their sole canonical appearance displayed strong insularity and xenophobia. They didn't give a real damn about the fate of humanoid society; they just wanted the stupid hooligan children to leave them alone and stop messing up the neighbourhood.

Organians have two canonical appearances. In their second, "earlier" appearance, they're roaming through the galaxy, possessing people (including crew aboard the NX-01) and observing the effect of a silicon virus.

 

[Enterprise1701]

Organians have two canonical appearances. In their second, "earlier" appearance, they're roaming through the galaxy, possessing people (including crew aboard the NX-01) and observing the effect of a silicon virus.

Ah yes, the annoying cousins who are probably held in low esteem by the homeworld.

 

[Starkers]

Trelane? (Though again much like Q it doesn't seem his style)

 

[Yistaan]

Vance outright forgot God when going over god like aliens who may have been responsible for the anomaly. Furthermore Vance should have made God the prime suspect once he looked up Burnham's history and found out her foster brothers wouldn't give him a starship. So he created this anomaly for revenge against the family, just like he finally got revenge on Spock by blowing up the Romulan sun all those centuries ago.

 

[XCV330]

Vance outright forgot God when going over god like aliens who may have been responsible for the anomaly. Furthermore Vance should have made God the prime suspect once he looked up Burnham's history and found out her foster brothers wouldn't give him a starship. So he created this anomaly for revenge against the family, just like he finally got revenge on Spock by blowing up the Romulan sun all those centuries ago.

I would forgive this seasons many things if that ended up being the cause of it

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Vance outright forgot God when going over god like aliens who may have been responsible for the anomaly. Furthermore Vance should have made God the prime suspect once he looked up Burnham's history and found out her foster brothers wouldn't give him a starship. So he created this anomaly for revenge against the family, just like he finally got revenge on Spock by blowing up the Romulan sun all those centuries ago.

Why does God need a starship or a DMA?

 

[Yistaan]

Why does God need a starship or a DMA?

God: You're just as bad as your brothers Michael Burnham (bolts her with lightning for asking such a presumptuous question)

 

[The Wormhole]

Vance said the Q weren't being considered due to it being six hundred years since last contact with them and that the DMA wasn't really something in character for them. Presumably the list of aliens he provided are races that meet the criteria of capability, known motives and availability. Creating the DMA doesn't really seem like something the Prophets or the Organians would do, and if it's been too long since the last reported contact with either of them, then that would further disqualify them.

 

[Ronald Held]

Maybe an entirely new alien, or an old one now sufficiently evolved to make a DMA?