What's your source for that? IMDb lists his character as simply "Wyatt," no surname. And I don't recall ever hearing that surname spoken in an episode.
Books Whose Information Became Canon
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I didn't watch the show, but I was curious after reading this thread, so did some Googling. According to the The Big Bang Theory Wiki (which apparently exists), her last name was "Teller", because it appeared on the address label of a package that she received in a season 2 episode. (And here I thought only Star Trek fans scrutinized background details like that.)
https://bigbangtheory.fandom.com/wiki/Penny
Since this was from a prop rather than dialogue, I'll leave it to the rest of you to argue over whether that counts as "Big Bang Theory Canon" or not...
https://bigbangtheory.fandom.com/wiki/Penny
Since this was from a prop rather than dialogue, I'll leave it to the rest of you to argue over whether that counts as "Big Bang Theory Canon" or not...
I only read an article about this very recently, when I noticed magician Teller playing Amy's Dad.
Then I found the surname at:
https://bigbangtheory.fandom.com/wiki/Wyatt
It has had the surname added (from the parcel label, I suppose?) but it is not actually explained in the page.
The article about Wyatt says the same thing. And I looked at that graphic of the package used as a "source" for her surname. The resolution is not high enough to determine what it says with any degree of confidence.
Exactly. The page was set up before the surname had appeared.
Penny Teller? Is that a supposed to be a pun on Penn and Teller?
About the same point in time, too - Season one of Lower Decks was supposed to be in 2380 and this season all references to season one have carried the description of "last year," so the timing of season two seems to be 2381, and the finale would be somewhere around the year change to 2382. Sonya became a Captain in the Litverse in 2381, following Captain Gold retiring after the Borg invasion of Destiny.
Granted, she may have been promoted sooner than 2381, but we so far only know that her captaincy has happened as of that point.
I guess so. And continuing the gag by having that Teller play Amy's Dad.
So a Brikar (thanks Peter David!) gets introduced on Prodigy.
Now the term Arie'mnu from the Diane Duane novel “The Wounded Sky” was mentioned in this weeks Discovery episode.
Having been an avid Treklit reader since 1988 (my first novel was “The IDIC Epidemic”) I absolutely LOVE this!
Anyone know of any other examples? I sure hope to see more of this!
Now the term Arie'mnu from the Diane Duane novel “The Wounded Sky” was mentioned in this weeks Discovery episode.
Having been an avid Treklit reader since 1988 (my first novel was “The IDIC Epidemic”) I absolutely LOVE this!
Anyone know of any other examples? I sure hope to see more of this!
Already a thread for this:
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/books-whose-information-became-canon.307888/
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/books-whose-information-became-canon.307888/
Thanks for the heads up.
MorbidGorn noted the Brikar regular in "Star Trek: Prodigy"...
but also that the term Arie'mnu, from the Diane Duane novel “The Wounded Sky”, was mentioned in this week's "Discovery" episode. Missed that myself. Thanks MG.
but also that the term Arie'mnu, from the Diane Duane novel “The Wounded Sky”, was mentioned in this week's "Discovery" episode. Missed that myself. Thanks MG.
Yeah, I can see where a fascist state might draw upon a Latin phrase like "Terra Firma" as a battle cry. Fascists have a tendency to harp upon silly-sounding phrases in their chants and slogans. I mean, objectively speaking, "Blood and Soil" doesn't sound intimidating -- it sounds like it's describing a farmer who's not very good at his job.
I just took that as a linguistic convention that developed informally to make it easier to distinguish Mirror Universe Humans from Prime Universe Humans. They are fundamentally different cultures after all. I never took it to mean they're separate species and I don't think the DIS writers intended to imply that.
I agree that bit was a bad idea.
Except it doesn't work, because every previous Trek series used "Terran" to refer to Earth people from the Prime universe, as science fiction has always done since long before Trek existed. (E.g. "Yesteryear" where the children asked young Spock, "Are you Terran or Vulcan?") So it's contradictory that DSC shows characters hearing the word "Terran" and immediately understanding it to mean Mirror human without any additional context. The problem is not that "Terran" is used for Mirror humans -- the problem is the implicit assumption that it is not used for Prime humans, which is incredibly wrong.
Besides, Georgiou also said "Where I'm from, we're Prime and you're the Mirror." So wouldn't it be contradictory for her to cede the use of the word "human" to others rather than reserving it for her own people? Remember, she was the one who called Culber "human" as if it were an ethnic slur. That was just bad, nonsensical writing.
During the 23rd Century seasons, I really don't think it's a problem if the "Terran as word for Mirror Universe Human" definition informally evolved amongst the small number of characters who know about the existence of the Mirror Universe in spite of a more widespread standard definition of "Terran" as "alternate name for Humans." Words can have informal definitions that evolve in contradiction to formal definitions after all.
For the 32nd Century setting? Maybe the 32nd Century characters just acquiesced to the Discovery crew's idiosyncratic alternate definition. Or maybe by the 32nd Century, the Prime Universe Federation had had enough further dealings with the Mirror Universe that the commonly-accepted definition changed.
I don't agree at all. I think she's making a point about her belief in the superiority of her version of Human culture over the Prime Universe's version of Human culture, and she used the word "Human" because it was easier than getting into a semantic argument with him about what to name their cultures.
That's reaching incredibly far to excuse what was simply a bad decision on the writers' part. I'm not willing to be so generous.
No. She used it as a racial slur as if she were not human. That's clearly how the writers of that scene intended it, and that is a mistake on the writers' part. I'm not interested in in-universe excuses. Critiquing fiction is not about bending over backward to excuse and rationalize writers' bad ideas, it's about coming out and saying that they were bad ideas. If the writers had made better choices in the first place, we wouldn't have to twist ourselves into pretzels to excuse their bad choices.
Okay. If you needed a short term to quickly distinguish between Prime and Mirror Universe Humans -- one that isn't a mouthful, one that feels like a natural outgrowth of colloquial rather than formal English -- what would you use?
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