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This map is excellent! What's the source?
What's the difference between a starbase and a "deep space" station?
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This map is excellent! What's the source?
I don't remember, I found it a long time ago in the past on the internet! You should keep a local copy for yourself to use as reference material IMO.
It's perfectly aligned to the end of ST: Voyager.
Yours cuts out a stamp.
https://www.deviantart.com/kamikage86/art/Star-Trek-Galactic-Territory-Map-801406642
https://imgur.com/XPubABK
Who demonfreak is, however, we don't know. It was 2008.
Nice Job, you found a even better resolution version.
Arrgh!
You are very lucky. I wrote two refutations of your statements but lost them both before I could post them.
But I agree with everything that other people wrote to refute your arguements. And I had more to add, but since I kept loosing it I gave up trying to post it..
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We have scant few datapoints so the fitting of various models is quite simple. Of interest here is that two installations called "Deep Space Station" have been of the shape of a Starfleet installation: DSK7 in "Trouble with Tribbles" is a dead ringer for the space station of TOS "Ultimate Computer" (but not for the starbase of TOS-R "Ultimate Computer", FWIW), while DS5 in "Parallels" is the Regula/Orbital Office type that ultimately sees use as a starbase, too.
Only one is explicitly non-Starfleet hardware, then. But both the sombrero station of TOS and the orbital office may well be generic hardware of which Starfleet is but one humble operator, considering...
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But can he clear the savanna after every meal?
D'oh!
Dominion space seems too big.
Weyoun described the UFP as 'vast' when he suggested the sheer effort it would take to occupy it... this would suggest UFP is actually bigger than the Dominion
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Not necessarily; I interpreted it as the Federation being the biggest region they'd ever tried to subjugate in one go before. Even if the Dominion is larger, controlling the Federation still represents a massive commitment in terms of manpower, ships, resources, and time.
I think you're reading too much into that statement.
Just being 'vast' doesn't imply that it's larger than the Dominion's own territory in the Gamma Quadrant.
It just mean it's a very large chunk of space.
This could very well be the case in Star Trek. Starbase 1 in the Discovery era appears to be within a small distance (100 AUs) of the Solar System, and I've guessed was around some sort of terraformed planet or projection in the outer limits of the scattered disc. After its destruction or abandonment, the designation could have been given to the Earth Spacedock (seen under construction at the end of that season), and it would still satisfy the arrangement that Earth (i.e. the Solar System) is assigned Starbase 1. In the Kelvinverse, Starbase 1 is a different station in orbit of Earth, presumably a different replacement or assignment than the Earth Spacedock.
I like the idea that they're tied to Sector names, so while there are multiple starbases in Sector 001, only one is designated *the* Starbase 1 (or Starbase 001) as the main base of that Sector. Thus, Starbase 200 (The Alternative Factor) is in Sector 200, which could be anywhere in relation to Earth because of the blocky and spiraling nature of sector numbering, and Starbase 173 (The Measure of a Man) was built in Sector 173 a century later.
It's cool overall, but I never like it when maps use Earth as the border between the alpha and beta quadrants.
Why not? It's an Earth-ran show.
That is, Alpha and Beta are decided by Earth and/or the Federation. Other cultures may use different definitions and draw different maps; even Klingons may fail to observe the division to Alpha and Beta, even though the UT on occasion puts those words in their mouths. But it would be odd indeed for the UFP not to have its Greenwich Meridian run right through its capital.
Whether it's Earth specifically, or Sol, or some fairly arbitrary coordinate in the vicinity, we can't tell from maps of galactic scale. At higher resolution, the border appears to jump a bit for DIS, as compared to certain TNG or VOY maps, and that one may be for real - perhaps the Greenwich position is a rotating one, held by each of the Founding Member homeworlds in turn? Galactic maps are dynamic, computer-generated things to begin with, and there would be no real downside to them changing in real time or biweekly or once per spinoff.
As regards abstractions like coordinates, that is: the spatial objects depicted would stay the same, it making no practical difference when Talos IV would be at 123.456 on Tuesday but at 749.148 on Wednesday. Only insane Vulcans memorize coordinates anyway... And it is a feature of Trek that coordinate systems are utterly different from their last appearance.
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That is, Alpha and Beta are decided by Earth and/or the Federation. Other cultures may use different definitions and draw different maps; even Klingons may fail to observe the division to Alpha and Beta, even though the UT on occasion puts those words in their mouths. But it would be odd indeed for the UFP not to have its Greenwich Meridian run right through its capital.
Whether it's Earth specifically, or Sol, or some fairly arbitrary coordinate in the vicinity, we can't tell from maps of galactic scale. At higher resolution, the border appears to jump a bit for DIS, as compared to certain TNG or VOY maps, and that one may be for real - perhaps the Greenwich position is a rotating one, held by each of the Founding Member homeworlds in turn? Galactic maps are dynamic, computer-generated things to begin with, and there would be no real downside to them changing in real time or biweekly or once per spinoff.
As regards abstractions like coordinates, that is: the spatial objects depicted would stay the same, it making no practical difference when Talos IV would be at 123.456 on Tuesday but at 749.148 on Wednesday. Only insane Vulcans memorize coordinates anyway... And it is a feature of Trek that coordinate systems are utterly different from their last appearance.
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Yes, but it's not supposed to be about an Earth supremist future. My main issue though is that shifting everything to the "left" so that big chunks of the Klingon and Romulan empires are in the alpha quadrant fits the dialogue much better, particularly from DS9.
It is about an Earth supremist future.
Although the prequel show is about a Vulcan supremist future, and this makes no difference, since the A/B line would run through basically the same spot even if the Vulcans got to decide.
OTOH, if neither Klingons nor Romulans natively use the A/B/G/D system, or the Earth Meridian for that, then them getting the references wrong is no biggie.
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Although the prequel show is about a Vulcan supremist future, and this makes no difference, since the A/B line would run through basically the same spot even if the Vulcans got to decide.
OTOH, if neither Klingons nor Romulans natively use the A/B/G/D system, or the Earth Meridian for that, then them getting the references wrong is no biggie.
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That would certainly explain how Starbase 718 seems to be established before Starbase 173. It would also explain why some Starbases have lead a 0 as part of their name when most don't (e.g. Starbase 045, Starbase 0834), some have a prefix or suffix (e.g. Starbase G-6, Starbase 39-Sierra), and some are known by something other than number (e.g. Starbase Earheart, Starbase Montgomery).
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Me either. I always thought Earth (and the other core Federation worlds) should have been in the centre of the Alpha Quadrant, not the edge.
Doesn’t that separation attempt to justify the “only ship in the quadrant” line from a film (Final Frontier?)
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