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Spoilers Would the Borg assimilate cetaceans from Earth?

Not sure even the Borg could adapt to just having their power turned off. So maybe the Borg collective has logged the probe as "don't bother it and it won't bother you", the way a predator species will ignore an herbivore that's non-aggressive, but capable of killing them in self-defense.
 
Borg only seem interested in technological civilizations. If they gave a pass to the Kazon because of their inadequate technology (which was all stolen from the Trabe and others anyway), they'd be unlikely to go after a species that didn't even have opposable thumbs or the ability to start a fire.

True, that's what we see on screen. Yet one of the Borg's catchphrases is : we will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. So I don't think it's totally inconceivable that he Borg could assimilate a species without significant technology, but some desired marked biological trait they might be able to reverse engineer to make ofther drones benefit from as well. (Superior physical endurance, say.)

There seem to be indications the Borg also assimilate species without sophisticated technology. At least- sometimes. See the following snippet:

JANEWAY: <...>When did the Borg discover Omega?
SEVEN: Two hundred twenty nine years ago.
JANEWAY: Assimilation?
SEVEN: Yes, of thirteen different species.
JANEWAY: Thirteen?
SEVEN: It began with Species two six two. They were primitive, but their oral history referred to a powerful substance which could burn the sky. The Borg were intrigued, which led them to Species two six three. They too were primitive, and believed it was a drop of blood from their Creator.
JANEWAY: Fascinating.
SEVEN: Yes, but irrelevant. We followed this trail of myth for many years until finally assimilating a species with useful scientific data. We then created the molecule ourselves.

Unless 7's intent of course is to say that they assimilated 13 different 'advanced' species, that had knowledge of these other 'primitive' species she is talking about.

Now, we know that the Borg might apply the epithet 'primitive' somewhat liberally - they also call the Federation cultures 'archaic'. Even so, 'oral history' and 'believing it is a drop of their Creator's blood' seem indicative of prescientific, possibly even preliterate cultures.
 
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There seem to be indications the Borg also assimilate species without sophisticated technology. At least- sometimes. See the following snippet:

Honestly, I don't take Voyager's claims about the Borg all that seriously, given that it made the idiotic assertion that Borg never procreate, only assimilate. Not only would that be unfeasible from a simple numerical standpoint, but what's the point of assimilating biological diversity if you don't reproduce it? Every species that got assimilated would die off after a single generation and then that diversity would be gone. So of course they reproduce, and VGR's writers just didn't think things through. So I'm skeptical of anything VGR claimed about the Borg.
 
Honestly, I don't take Voyager's claims about the Borg all that seriously, given that it made the idiotic assertion that Borg never procreate, only assimilate. Not only would that be unfeasible from a simple numerical standpoint, but what's the point of assimilating biological diversity if you don't reproduce it? Every species that got assimilated would die off after a single generation and then that diversity would be gone. So of course they reproduce, and VGR's writers just didn't think things through. So I'm skeptical of anything VGR claimed about the Borg.

In that case, we're on equally shaky ground regarding 7's claim that the Kazon were 'unworthy of assimilation' (I do in fact take that one as a small insider joke, reminding us to not take the show too seriously). I do agree though that we see of the Borg in TNG would indicate they probably don't assimilate civilizations that have nothing to contribute.

As for the no Borg reproduction, that is silly, yes. However :
1) Borg drones might be essentially ageless, only lost in accidents and combat, not to old age
2) They might have a way of reverse-engineering biological 'distinctiveness' and dispersing those advantages to other drones

And if 'one' is an accurate prototype of how 29th century Borg would have been (probably not, since it's just a 'random convergence of technologies') they apparently came to realise for themselves this was a serious weakness :)

Also, why is there a 'spoiler' tag in this thread title?
 
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As for the no Borg reproduction, that is silly, yes. However :
1) Borg drones might be essentially ageless, only lost in accidents and combat, not to old age

The whole idea behind the Borg is that they consider their drones casually disposable, because they're a hive entity and individual drones are no more valuable than individual skin or blood cells in a human body. They throw away drones without hesitation, in great numbers, because there are always more to replace them. So the idea that they rely on drone immortality is completely incompatible with everything we know about them.


2) They might have a way of reverse-engineering biological 'distinctiveness' and dispersing those advantages to other drones

Even so, that doesn't mean they could maintain an adequate number of drones. Look at it this way: Assimilating drones is like hunting and gathering, while procreating drones is like agriculture. Civilization could never take off until we invented agriculture and were able to produce far more food far more reliably and consistently. The Borg just couldn't function if they had to rely exclusively on something as inefficient and unreliable as "foraging" for drones rather than having the far greater stability and productivity of growing their own. The only thing that makes sense is to do both.

After all, the Borg are supposed to be about efficiency. Any female drone has millions of ova, and any male can produce millions of sperm cells. It would be insanely inefficient to let all that reproductive potential go to waste rather than harvesting the gametes and breeding countless new drones in vitro.
 
I think the Borg would try to assimilate the species that made the STIV:TVH probe. But if they encountered cetaceans with no technology, they would probably leave them alone.

As for non-bipedal species in the collective (besides the attempt to assimilate tripedal 8472), the Shatnerverse had assimilated dog drones, specifically Dobermans that were probably pets of assimilated human personnel. Maybe those would be used as sentries.

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Honestly, I don't take Voyager's claims about the Borg all that seriously, given that it made the idiotic assertion that Borg never procreate, only assimilate. Not only would that be unfeasible from a simple numerical standpoint, but what's the point of assimilating biological diversity if you don't reproduce it? Every species that got assimilated would die off after a single generation and then that diversity would be gone. So of course they reproduce, and VGR's writers just didn't think things through. So I'm skeptical of anything VGR claimed about the Borg.
Since Voyager provided the bulk of what was known about the Borg until very recently, that's very limiting. As far as weather the Borg have reproduction and whether they actually behave like a hive, it must be understood they are neither naked mole rats, wasps, ants or bees, or humans for that matter. According to Voyager, the Borg have been a space fairing power for thousands of years. But during most of that time, they seem to have occupied a relatively small area, not being on any particular mad dash to conquer the galaxy. This implies they had developed some kind of homeostasis, at least for awhile.

Borg cubes are always shown being packed with thousands of drones, and yet rarely are more than a handful of drones needed. Most of the time they are just in regeneration mode. If they were so flagrant in expending drones all the time, they would not need to have so many on standby. They'd just grow new ones as needed, perhaps using a species of accelerated maturation like the Ocampa as their breed stock. But they've never been shown to do that. They don't generally need the drones except to collect more drones. An they need those drones to provide replacements as well as new numbers so they can continue adding more drones when the opportunity arises. Their cubes are perfectly capable of engaging in warfare without landing parties, otherwise.

Neither has there been seen a great deal of Borg drones that appear to be hybridizations of various known species. Admittedly there has not been a great deal of time, for that, still the matter stands. The Borg may not make sense to outsiders but what they do seems to work for them.
 
Since Voyager provided the bulk of what was known about the Borg until very recently, that's very limiting.

No, it's selective. I'm entitled to have an opinion on what ideas in fiction are good and what ideas are stupid. None of it is real anyway, so it's silly to act as if we're required to believe it all and have no right to exercise our own judgment or skepticism.

According to Voyager, the Borg have been a space fairing power for thousands of years. But during most of that time, they seem to have occupied a relatively small area, not being on any particular mad dash to conquer the galaxy. This implies they had developed some kind of homeostasis, at least for awhile.

Actually VGR is contradictory on this point, sometimes claiming the Borg are thousands of years old and sometimes that they were a minor power mere centuries ago. Another reason we shouldn't just blindly trust everything the show claimed about the Borg.


Borg cubes are always shown being packed with thousands of drones, and yet rarely are more than a handful of drones needed.

Define "needed." You're only looking at it in terms of physical tasks, but that's missing the point. Drones aren't starship crew; their brains are parallel processors in the hive mind of the Collective. All of them at once are the Collective consciousness -- that's what a hive mind is. They're always participating in the cognition and neural processing of the Collective, even if their bodies are only occasionally needed for physical tasks.


They'd just grow new ones as needed, perhaps using a species of accelerated maturation like the Ocampa as their breed stock. But they've never been shown to do that.

Yes, they were, in the very first Borg episode, "Q Who." That was the point of the scene where Riker found the incubation chamber. Sure, VGR tried to retcon that as assimilated babies, but that was not the intention in the original episode.


The Borg may not make sense to outsiders but what they do seems to work for them.

That's a nonsensical thing to say, because the Borg have no independent existence. They're imaginary constructs that only work in the way the writers of the story claim they work, and different writers have made different claims about them over the years. And as the audience of fiction, we're entitled to criticize a story that's written badly and unbelievably, and to say it should've been written better.
 
Ocean covers two-thirds of the Earth, so whoever reigns supreme over the ocean reigns supreme over the Earth and is the true Dominant Lifeform of this planet.

Humans just like to think they we are. Star Trek IV was on point.
 
If a cetacean had intelligence (the information kind) that the Borg needed or some other characteristic that would confer an essential tactical or strategic advantage, I'm sure they would assimilate them.
 
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