The REAL reason that Kes isn't a more beloved character...
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Well, it is for humans to connect with so yeah...
Hey we were all engineered by the Chase Aliens, figures that we'd be similar.
We're even interfertile. Any two (opposite sex) people in the galaxy can have a kid together, it seems.
Who are the "chase aliens"?
I understand that and the amount of aliens very similar to humans doesn't bother me that much. But when they have dogs as pet on the other side of the galaxy, it gets a bit weird.
But sometimes I wish that there would be some aliens more different from humans. A relative of mine is a fan of an old SF series called Raumpatrouille (which is German for "Space Patrol", a series which was aired in Germany three months before TOS started in the US and which was popular in many European countries. Unfortunately, it only lasted for seven episodes due to production costs.
It's filmed in black and white and a bit outdated when it comes to effects and such but with good characters and interesting to watch.
To get to the point, the main enemy was a species nicknamed "Frogs" who were very evil.Lase beams did not hurt them but oxygen was lethal to them and they did die when their ships were shot to pieces They tried to conquer and destroy Earth but was driven away in the last episode. No traces of them in the Star Trek Universe, they must have been wiped out by the Klingons, Romulans or Cardassians at some point.
(OK according to that series, the events in "Raumpatrouille" takes place about the year 3000 but since the technology in the series is so extremely primitive, I assure that the events takes place shortly after 2161 when the Federation was founded.)
Here's one of the "Frogs". According to a "Raumpatrouille" book, after being driven away in the final episode they were contacted by Earth authorities with the message "We want contact. We want to negotiate".
Their reply was: "We don't want contact. We hate you!"
Charming fellows, as Tom Paris should have said.
I couldn't help it but I started to laugh when I saw the picture.
Didn't need to see THAT!
It was just too weird to be realistic or even thinkable!
The precursor Aliens from the TNG episode "the Chase" that stated that they manipulated the course of evolution on every life bearing world they could find to create humanoids.
Trek's justification for having mostly humanoid aliens that can interbreed with each other.
Yeah it doesn't make much sense from a real world perspective, but it's the in-universe explanation.
Yes, I remember that episode.
A good episode with a plausible explanation why the inhabitants of the Galaxy looks so human.
However, there would still be possible with some "not so human" aliens like The Frogs.
Not to mention that they were more scary than The Borg.
Well there are some more alien aliens, including the Medusans and the Sheliak and all that.
My personal head-canon is that those aliens are from planets where life was already too developed for the Chase Aliens to meddle with, or simply planets they didn't get to before dying out. Or planets where their manipulations failed.
I mean it does explain why the more Alien aliens seem to be rarer.
Edit:At first I was quite confused why you called them "more scary than the Borg" but I think I understand now: They were so arrogant that they saw themselves as the only possible pinnacle of evolution and, more or less "assimilated" the whole ecosystem of countless planets to propagate themselves.
Now we'll never know what kinds of life those planets might have brought forth if they had been left alone.
Honestly, I never saw "The Frogs" from that perspective. For me, they were just plain evil.
But thanks a lot for coming up with a well-thought explanation of what they were.
I will pass it on to my relative, the Raumpatrouille fan. I'm sure that he will like it!
I couldn't help it but I started to laugh when I saw the picture.
It was just too weird to be realistic or even thinkable!
I saw it as kind of like the "naked room" scene with Terry Bradshaw in "Failure to Launch". Appalling, but strangely hilarious for all that.
The Ocampa can't look after themselves, and Caretakers don't live forever. It would be cruel and dangerous for the Ocampa to out live their Caretaker, so their Caretaker took steps to see that they didn't by inventing Elogium.
In just 1000 years the Ocampan poulation went from billions to hundreds, so that the terror of living without a caretaker would be mitigated to a shadow of the Ocampa's former density.
That explanation works, as long as you assume that Kes misspoke when she mentioned having an uncle. In a society of only children, uncles don't exist.
Rain Robinson has a scientific background and is an astronomer; that's a good enough reason for her character to be on board Voyager (if Seven can just be brought on and be a crew member just like Neelix and Kes, so can Rain.) Also, as I said above, I don't want to see her become an agent of the Aegis (if said plot was ever added to the show and became canon); from what I've read of them in the new Star Trek: Year Five comic book, they aren't really friends of humanity (or of any other race in the Milky Way galaxy aside from the Tholians.
That sound like hearsay, and as the Ferengi say, 'hear all, trust nothing' (aka the old human saying 'trust, but verify.')
I'm sorry, but I think that he needed to go, and for Kes (or Rain, or Seven) to take center stage.
Said book is a movie/TV tie-in novel and is not canon, nor would anything from it be added to the main show's backstory for Neelix.
Two similar characters on the show from the same race, with one of them already despised? Not going to work, at all, sorry.
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It might surprise you to hear me say this, but I think that might have been a good idea.
Consider Harry in "Before and After". He was a peripheral character in it, but still a husband, a (good) father, and a full lieutenant. In other words, he was developed more in that one "never happened" episode than in the entire series! Instead of growing and changing, he stagnated. At least disposing of his character would have raised the stakes a little. And doing it right (maybe have him be slowly devoured by that 8472 gook and end up flatlining on the bio bed despite the EMH's increasing frantic efforts to save him) would have been a very emotional experience: for Janeway, for Tom, for the crew, and (if the writer did it right) for the audience as a whole.
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Agreed.
Quoted this but didn't do anything with it last post.
It's common knowledge that the books aren't canon, but that doesn't mean we can't find a few good ideas in one. Considering how dismally some characters were handled by Voyager'swriting team, many of them might have been used better in a book than they were in canon.
Rain would work in Stellar Cartography with the DeLanney sisters?
Yes, and also with Seven.
Seven scrapped Stellar Cartography and shitcanned those poor women.
They're cleaning pots for Neelix now or guarding a very-very-very important doorway for security.
Since the book is written by one of the creators of the series and the story about Neelix don't contradict anything on-screen, I consider it "canon".
It could have worked.
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