Spoilers Discovery and the Novelverse - TV show discussion thread

[Unimatrix Q]

Looking back, i'm kinda sad that there were never any cetacean crewmembers during the tenure of the Novelverse.

The only novel i remember with an (alien) cetacean making an appearance was Dark Mirror.

Would have been especially great if cetacean ops played a role in the Titan novels with their focus on the mixed species crew.

 

[Charles Phipps]

Well those were clearly alien beluga whales because they sounded like dolphins and their eyes are in a different place.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

Well those were clearly alien beluga whales because they sounded like dolphins and their eyes are in a different place.

That's possible, especially by considering Jennifer the Andorian and the Kzin, but wouldn't it be more interesting and fascinating if they were from Earth?

 

[Charles Phipps]

That's possible, especially by considering Jennifer the Andorian and the Kzin, but wouldn't it be more interesting and fascinating if they were from Earth?

But can they be if whales are extinct in the 23rd century?

 

[David cgc]

But can they be if whales are extinct in the 23rd century?

We only know Humpback Whales were extinct, any number of other species could've survived without time-travel conservation missions.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

But can they be if whales are extinct in the 23rd century?

Maybe only Humpbacks were extinct and the other Whales and Dolphins weren't important to the species building the probe.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

We only know Humpback Whales were extinct, any number of other species could've survived without time-travel conservation missions.

Wow. Same idea at the same time

 

[Avro Arrow]

Well those were clearly alien beluga whales because they sounded like dolphins

They were just bilingual whales who spoke dolphin as a second language!

 

[Christopher]

They were just bilingual whales who spoke dolphin as a second language!

Maybe Rutherford only speaks Delphinese and the whales were speaking it for his benefit.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Looking back, i'm kinda sad that there were never any cetacean crewmembers during the tenure of the Novelverse.

The only novel i remember with an (alien) cetacean making an appearance was Dark Mirror.

Would have been especially great if cetacean ops played a role in the Titan novels with their focus on the mixed species crew.

I can't remember if it was speculation or a legit story, but I think I read somewhere that Hwiii was intended to be an Earth dolphin before Richard Arnold Richard Arnolded all over it.

 

[Christopher]

I can't remember if it was speculation or a legit story, but I think I read somewhere that Hwiii was intended to be an Earth dolphin before Richard Arnold Richard Arnolded all over it.

Quite likely, since his culture and rituals described in the book were a direct lift from the dolphin society in Duane's Young Wizards novel Deep Wizardry. In fact, I don't think I caught on that Hwiii wasn't an Earth dolphin until after I'd read the book several times.

 

[dupersuper]

I also am now trying to figure out where Starfleet Corps of Engineers twists out into Lower Decks via retcon. Maybe she's only temporary captain of the Archimedes.

I admit I've only read 1 or 2 SCE books, but I'm sure we can fit them in. Fan power!

 

[David cgc]

Quite likely, since his culture and rituals described in the book were a direct lift from the dolphin society in Duane's Young Wizards novel Deep Wizardry.

I need to read those, I bought the complete set of eBooks from her website on sale a few years ago. It's just much easier to forget the eBooks on my to-read pile since it's not actually taking up space where I can see it like the physical books are (and those are already pretty easy to lose sight of).

 

[Unimatrix Q]

I can't remember if it was speculation or a legit story, but I think I read somewhere that Hwiii was intended to be an Earth dolphin before Richard Arnold Richard Arnolded all over it.

Yes. I remember Richard Arnold being responsible for this, too. The novel was great, but i would have liked it a lot more if Hwii stayed being a dolphin from Earth in it, as originally planned.

 

[KRAD]

I also am now trying to figure out where Starfleet Corps of Engineers twists out into Lower Decks via retcon. Maybe she's only temporary captain of the Archimedes.

Actually, the SCE series fits just fine with LD. The last SCE story was Remembrance of Things Past, which takes place a good four years prior to LD season 2. What "First First Contact" contradicts are the later cameos by Gomez and the gang in places like Destiny, A Singular Destiny, and Indistinguishable from Magic.

 

[Christopher]

What "First First Contact" contradicts are the later cameos by Gomez and the gang in places like Destiny, A Singular Destiny, and Indistinguishable from Magic.

Which were already contradicted by Picard anyway.

 

[Charles Phipps]

Which were already contradicted by Picard anyway.

Bah, those damn caeliar just missed a few cubes.

 

[Enterprise1701]

I have a question. When Strange New Worlds begins streaming 5 May 2022, should we double-up this thread for both DIS and SNW owing to the shared timeframe origin, or start a dedicated EU continuity thread for SNW?

The dedicated thread for Lower Decks seems to have been forgotten even as the series began.
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/lower-decks-and-the-novelverse.300766/

 

[Avro Arrow]

I have a question. When Strange New Worlds begins streaming 5 May 2022, should we double-up this thread for both DIS and SNW owing to the shared timeframe origin, or start a dedicated EU continuity thread for SNW?

The dedicated thread for Lower Decks seems to have been forgotten even as the series began.
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/lower-decks-and-the-novelverse.300766/

When trampledamage polled the forum last fall on that question, "individual thread for each show, spoilers only for that show" won decisively, so I think we should go with that, and SNW can have its own thread.

 

[Enterprise1701]

I do not think it has been specifically noted in this thread that our own Greg Cox turned out in some ways to be extremely prescient in writing Assignment: Eternity back in 1998, precipitating DIS season 3 in 2020 and PIC season 2 in 2022.

While PIC took a very different direction in not naming Gary Seven's organisation as the Aegis, Assignment: Eternity did depict the organisation as knowing about the Romulans by the 20th century, recruiting at least one Romulan supervisor who knew about pre-warp Earth, and placing specific value in Spock's role in the Vulcan-Romulan reunification movement. So now we canonically have Romulans as citizens of Ni'Var in the Federation, as historically hoped by agents preceding the Federation and preceding unification.