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Could you please explain how a character co-created by Berlanti for the flagship show, can be 'forced' upon the latest series, also co-created by Berlanti? In a storyline developed/designed by Berlanti (the boss of it all) before production began?
Reportedly so, which is not good news.
Tony Curran cast as Despero for the crossover episodes
https://deadline.com/2021/08/the-flash-tony-curran-joins-cw-series-despero-season-8-1234822486
https://deadline.com/2021/08/the-flash-tony-curran-joins-cw-series-despero-season-8-1234822486
Nice choice! Tony's a terrific actor and Despero has a long history, back to JLA #1.
Felt forced to me, like he was contractually obligated to appear as he did on each series this season despite the rest of this series seeming to avoid referencing the larger verse even when it would seem logical due to the plot points. It certainly seems that whatever the intentions were connecting this show going in that as it went on the story played out as if Superman is in his own bubble with little interest in connectingCould you please explain how a character co-created by Berlanti for the flagship show, can be 'forced' upon the latest series, also co-created by Berlanti? In a storyline developed/designed by Berlanti (the boss of it all) before production began?
Vincent Van Despero!
I wonder, will Despero look human, or will it be a performance-capture role? Or maybe prosthetics?
That's how I saw it as well. I think he was probably scheduled to show up also before they had the type of show they were going to be doing figured out. Batwoman was also suppose to do a 2 parter on the show. I think at some point someone figured out this show works better by standing on its own.
Todd Helbing is the show runner for Superman and he used to be the show runner for The Flash seasons 4 and 5. Plus, David Ramsey and Tom Cavanagh directed episodes of Superman. It’s as much a part of the Arrowverse as the rest of the shows (it just has a unique style comparatively). Even the inconsistencies with Supergirl is probably due to the fact that Supergirl was supposed to air, and end, first.
Anyway, just catching up on all the Arrowverse shows and just finished The Flash. Hopefully season 8 is better. Season 7 had some good moments, but overall was definitely the worst season of the series.
No, it's the other way around. The original plan was to air Superman and Lois's entire season and then run Supergirl in the same slot, but S&L had a COVID-enforced 2-month hiatus after its fifth episode, so SG's season started earlier than planned to fill the gap. https://tvline.com/2021/03/05/supergirl-season-6-premiere-date-superman-lois-hiatus/
Oh weird, well in any case I spent the last few months catching up on what I missed on all the Arrowverse shows and if there’s one thing I learned, it’s that air date does not necessarily mean chronological order. Especially after the Crisis crossover (and Covid which screwed everything up). So I’m pretty sure when all is said and done, Supergirl season 6 probably fits better before Superman season 1. Just like Diggle’s Flash appearance probably works best last.
No, his Supergirl appearance is last. To quote what I said in that thread last week:
In The Flash, Diggle was fighting against the headaches and the voice in his head saying "Worlds await." At that point, he didn't seem to fully understand what was happening to him. But in Supergirl, he told Kelly that he was "offered the chance to become a special kind of hero," so by then he does have a clear understanding of just what it was all about. And when he left at the end, his last line was a decisive "Worlds await." Which tells us, implicitly, that he chose to accept the calling after all and will now be going off to become a Green Lantern.
If anything, the only Diggle appearance that was out of order was the S&L one, which seemed like it was meant to come first, as it barely touched on his arc aside from a throwaway reference to "glowing boxes." (Plus, again, it was probably meant to air earlier.) So we go from there, where he's basically just in his normal status quo as an ARGUS agent, to Batwoman, where he's seeing a specialist about his headaches, to The Flash, where the headaches get worse and a voice in his head tells him "Worlds await," to here, where he's over the headaches and has accepted the calling. Clearly there's a missing piece between The Flash and Supergirl where he somehow got his answers and made his choice, but that's the most logical order for the sequence. (Presumably the headaches were because he was resisting the call, and they stopped when he accepted it.)
Ah you’re right. I haven’t got to the Supergirl episode yet (I still have 12 Arrowverse episodes left before I’m completely caught up) but I figured after seeing the Flash one it would have been last, but obviously i was wrong. It’ll be interesting to see what happens with Diggle in the future then. Will he become Green Lantern in the Arrowverse (and will we see it)? Will it in anyway relate to the Green Lantern show that is coming?
also, that order of Diggle episodes completely blows up my theory that Superman season 1 takes place after Supergirl season 6. Oh well.
also, that order of Diggle episodes completely blows up my theory that Superman season 1 takes place after Supergirl season 6. Oh well.
The Ring punishes you until you accept it?
Sounds like slavery.
Sounds like slavery.
I think that if the Arrowverse had permission to use Green Lantern concepts overtly, they wouldn't have had to tiptoe around it the way they did. Instead they had to keep it all vague and implicit, presumably because the existence of the GL show on a different network and in a different continuity means that DC/WB wouldn't allow them to offer a competing version.
I thought he made his decision in the Supergirl episode. Early on, he told Kelly he turned down an offer because he'd have to be away from Lila and the kids. But at the end, he seems to have changed his mind, ending with the "worlds await" line.
He didn't tell Kelly he'd turned it down. He said he'd been offered the opportunity but had hesitated because it would take him away from his family, but they got interrupted before he could say what he'd actually decided.
And again, there must have been some intervening offstage event between The Flash, where he didn't understand what was happening to him, and Supergirl, where he had gained a full understanding. Hopefully there will be a tie-in comic to fill in that gap.
When his Supergirl episode aired David Ramsey confirmed that John Diggle’s story with what he found in that box is not over. Here is the direct quote -
https://ew.com/tv/supergirl-kelly-diggle-blind-spots-sneak-peek/
"We just have a moment at the end where we touch on it one more time. This isn't over," Ramsey said. "I think what was important about this and smart from the writers was to tell this story of someone like Diggle, who is such a mentor and such homegrown hero, if you will, that whatever the invitation [in the glowing green box] was — if we remember the story behind Diggle, he had just gotten his wife back, just got Sara back, who disappeared from Flashpoint — that it made sense for him not to accept it immediately, and we wanted to tell that story. This is the last piece of that story. You will see Diggle again after Supergirl, and when you do, we will continue that storytelling."
https://ew.com/tv/supergirl-kelly-diggle-blind-spots-sneak-peek/
"We just have a moment at the end where we touch on it one more time. This isn't over," Ramsey said. "I think what was important about this and smart from the writers was to tell this story of someone like Diggle, who is such a mentor and such homegrown hero, if you will, that whatever the invitation [in the glowing green box] was — if we remember the story behind Diggle, he had just gotten his wife back, just got Sara back, who disappeared from Flashpoint — that it made sense for him not to accept it immediately, and we wanted to tell that story. This is the last piece of that story. You will see Diggle again after Supergirl, and when you do, we will continue that storytelling."
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