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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar 2 - Electric Boogaloo-Fanboys gone WILD-too many hyphens

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Campe said:
There’s a long sordid history there between those two individuals. And at heart, I’m a peacemaker. And while nothing excuses what Alec has done and I get why Shawn did what he did, I just would have tried to make the confrontation a little less public.
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But that's the problem, because that long, sordid history you just talked about took place across social media platforms, where limited anonymity and safety-by-distance allows them to be even bolder and more aggressive with each other. Can you imagine a confrontation between them in total privacy? The final chapter will be written by the last guy standing, because there would be no other witnesses. This time there were observers, video, and peace officers to help tell the story, which is much more useful to third parties than "He said/He said."
 
Admiral2 said:
But that's the problem, because that long, sordid history you just talked about took place across social media platforms, where limited anonymity and safety-by-distance allows them to be even bolder and more aggressive with each other. Can you imagine a confrontation between them in total privacy? The final chapter will be written by the last guy standing, because there would be no other witnesses. This time there were observers, video, and peace officers to help tell the story, which is much more useful to third parties than "He said/He said."
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My point is: I would have tried to not let it go on this long. At some point, I’d have said, “Enough is enough” and either just let it go or have had a face to face before it got to six years and a lot of baggage around the whole thing.
 
Campe said:
My point is: I would have tried to not let it go on this long. At some point, I’d have said, “Enough is enough” and either just let it go or have had a face to face before it got to six years and a lot of baggage around the whole thing.
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Agreed.....at this point I feel bad to anyone who gives this 18 hours a day on either side. So much wasted time and effort by so many people.
 
In Today’s AxaMonitor Newsletter
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EXCLUSIVE video of the DragonCon altercation leading to criminal charge against Axanar producer Alec Peters in incident involving critic Shawn O’Halloran. PLUS: Details of the charges made against Peters by responding police officers, and Peters strikes back in court at O’Halloran as he seeks a temporary protective order. Read the entire newsletter here »
 
Even assuming Shawn was justified in confronting Alec (who had made numerous threats of physical violence online over the years) in public where there would be witnesses, he was stupid in the way he approached it. It could easily have backfired. He should have had several other people videoing it in case Alec did something like he did. He’s just lucky some bystander caught it on video.
 
I am disgusted by all parties.

Alec is wrong in his actions.

So was Shawn.

This is exactly the wrong way for the core questions around Axanar and its future to be adjudicated. Alec was baited and reacted poorly. A poor showing by all.

“Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent.”
 
Ryan Thomas Riddle said:
Clearly, Peters made it physical. No doubt. The whole thing is juvenile, and begets the question: why confront Peters at all?

The worst thing you can do to someone like Peters is ignore them. Any attention, even negative, feeds into his narcissistic victimhood.
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I think he came over there to get a video for his facebook group. He wasn't prepared for the escalation, but, as they say in the playground they both belong in, "he started it" Peters should have just had security remove him the moment he came over being belligerent, instead of that silly slap to the phone. good riddance to both of them, though if they want to take that show on the road, Ultimate Fan Octagon Fight might make more money than Axanar ever will.
 
I'll state this from the get-go. Peters IMO deserves to be charged with this and more. Shawn's actions also do not excuse what Peters' did either. Peters escalated what arguably could be construed as assault (you don't need to physically touch someone to "assault", just the implied threat and some sort of physical imtimidation which flailing your arms around in a "come at me bro" fashion while vulgarly threatening and following them as they try to walk away/diffuse the situation could be construed as) to IMO a battery and theft of the phone. That doesn't mean Shawn was in any way the "good guy". Shawn took an online verbal feud (admittedly years long with likely thousands of messages) and staged a multi-state in-person confrontation where at best he harassed another person. That's the most flattering way to put it. That's not the actions of a "hero" regardless of what Peters has done and will continue to do. Since when is reenacting the stupidity of Jay and Silent Bob from the Kevin Smith films the smart thing to do?

He just gave Peters years worth of fuel that he can try to use in his own defense and that of this never completed product. Peters doesn't need help embarassing himself and people need to stop trying to help. I hope the likely thousands of dollars he'll have to spend on legal fees from the historically litigious Peters (regardless of whether the lawsuits have any actual basis in law or fact) were worth the in person confrontation. Any reasonable person without a pre-existing bias and knowledge of the situation looking at that video will see two idiots on display with one being dumber than the other by actually committing violence. There is no winner here other than the legal profe$$ion.
 
I'm not saying Shawn O'Halloran is blameless. I'm not saying he is the "epitome of morality and virtue." I'm saying that Peters and Shawn are not equal antagonists. Like Sean Connery says in The Untouchables, they're dueling in the Chicago way...only Peters is the one bringing guns to knife fights.

As such, frankly, Shawn can't back down and walk away first, because it's a toss up whether Alec will stand down or go for the throat. True resolution will start only if Alec stands down first. That way, Shawn can be reasonably assured he won't be shot in the back when he turns to walk away. Failing that, I would rather take Shawn's side than pretend I'm above the fray.
 
Admiral2 said:
As such, frankly, Shawn can't back down and walk away first, because it's a toss up whether Alec will stand down or go for the throat. True resolution will start only if Alec stands down first. That way, Shawn can be reasonably assured he won't be shot in the back when he turns to walk away. Failing that, I would rather take Shawn's side than pretend I'm above the fray.
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Oh please. This isn't a 50's western nor is it an episode of some modern gritty jail drama or (more appropriately for this forum/thread) a Klingon blood feud. The attitude in this part of your post (and others) is exactly the type that got Shawn in the mess he's in. Shawn is just as capable of de-escalating the in person confrontation he initiated as anyone. Hell, Peters walked away (which I'm sure he'll argue was an attempt to do that and not cowardice) and Shawn followed him to the other side of the booth (while staying on his side admittedly) hurling insults and waving his hands around; that was a bad idea and makes Shawn look worse and gives Peters a potential avenue for defense in court. He's lucky that Peters will apparently not allow anyone to be a bigger blowhard than him in any situation and escalated it further to actual violence to regain the top dufus spot.
 
SITZKRIEG! said:
He's lucky that Peters will apparently not allow anyone to be a bigger blowhard than him in any situation and escalated it further to actual violence to regain the top dufus spot.
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That wasn't "luck." That's entirely my point. What would be a bigger blowhard move than backshooting the adversary as he retreats?
 
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