Sighs. You know what? Forget it. It was a surprise to me but apparently I'm just too dense.
What is your favorite incarnation of "Klingons?"
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It was a surprise, to be sure, but I think the way they integrated it into their ongoing Klingon drama (and the Augment drama from that season) was pretty neat. Results may vary.
The Klingon forehead explanation gets kicked around a lot, especially lately, even though I feel it came out of a place of love for the franchise and was a high point of continuity in an especially continuity heavy season.
I wasn't trying to insult you or make you feel bad. My reply to you was really directed at the community, and it's odd criticism of these two episodes whose seeds were planted six months earlier (or even before) and was a testament to Manny Coto's story telling capabilities.
Again, it's not that it wasn't integrated well. It's that as a story it was one that I did not expect, largely because I thought it was unnecessary. Whether it was wonderfully crafted with love and care doesn't make a bit of difference if I think the story was a strange one to be telling.
Well, love is something I don't see it coming from but fair enough.
It's a well told story. But it is an unnecessary one.
For whatever it's worth, Eaglemoss and Star Trek Online have shown us the Warbird up close and detailed it's design process. It's literally the K'Tinga model from TMP, with a few bolt-on additions and smaller windows to indicate a size contemporary with the Kelvinverse ships (and Star Trek Online has it around 700m long)
I think it's my favourite version of the D7/K'tinga. I have the model on a shelf.
If it's well told, I personally couldn't care less if it's "necessary".
It depends.
I love the TMP Klingons but we saw so little of them that if we saw more of them, then whatever I have imagined in my head probably would've been shattered. Honestly, the next time I ever thought they seemed so scary and fierce was in "Lethe" (DSC), almost 40 years later! And in DSC, that fierce image disappeared the more I saw of them. By DSC Season 2, they're basically the Klingons we saw from 1984 to 2005, except with more elaborate makeup.
So I guess I just knocked out the TMP and Pure-Disco Klingons right there. The TOS Klingons always felt more like Rough Draft Klingons to me. I chalk this up to my seeing the TOS Movies and TNG before TOS itself. So the Movie/TNG Klingons are what made the first impression on me instead of the other way around. And I just think the Movie/TNG Klingons are livelier. And livelier is ultimately what's going to leave an impression on me.
Into Darkness Klingons? Again, too little there. And while they seem scary in ID, I prefer the way they were scary in TMP.
So.... I'm going to have to go with the Klingons from TSFS to ENT. They're simply broader and you can get more mileage out of them. And that's what I think makes the most sense if you're going to use them on a recurring basis.
Probably not the answer most people thought I'd give, but those are the reasons for it.
So I guess I just knocked out the TMP and Pure-Disco Klingons right there. The TOS Klingons always felt more like Rough Draft Klingons to me. I chalk this up to my seeing the TOS Movies and TNG before TOS itself. So the Movie/TNG Klingons are what made the first impression on me instead of the other way around. And I just think the Movie/TNG Klingons are livelier. And livelier is ultimately what's going to leave an impression on me.
Into Darkness Klingons? Again, too little there. And while they seem scary in ID, I prefer the way they were scary in TMP.
So.... I'm going to have to go with the Klingons from TSFS to ENT. They're simply broader and you can get more mileage out of them. And that's what I think makes the most sense if you're going to use them on a recurring basis.
Probably not the answer most people thought I'd give, but those are the reasons for it.
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I am so rooting for the 13th Doctor to regenerate into Rowan Atkinson's Doctor.
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