What are your top 3 recurring Star Trek villains of all time?
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Sinds when is captain Jellico a villain?
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DS9 did the best character development. On its villains as well as its heroes.
@USS Firefly you've quoted the wrong guy.
You know, I have utmost respect for the infinite restraint Sisko exercised in her presence. If it were me, I'd have engineered a transporter malfunction...
Starling isn't a recurring villain. Yet.
I bet his blood pressure rose each time he heard her say "Emissary!"
Oh yes, never was there a more hateable villain than Kai Winn...
Damar killed Dukat's daughter and he was a dick through most of his tenure. I don't think that qualifies as "hardly."
I am sure you will get over it...one day...And it's Locutus of Borg. Misspellings always hurt.
Added just for you...
For me Damar is one of the most interesting characters DS9 had to offer. Killing Ziyal was shocking - I hated him for it. But he changed and fought alongside Kira - who on the other hand wasn't the best friend of Cardassians.
Weyoun was hilarious. I was glad that....
Weyoun was hilarious. I was glad that....
he was brought back in the novels.
I get your point. But aren't all the Cardassian who have worked in one way or another for the government or military during Bajor's occupation villains at some point (except for some rare good guys like Aamin Marritza)?
I guess one has to keep in mind that Damar grew up in that Cardassian culture so he developed a Cardassian viewpoint on the world (an awful one for sure), not a Federation one. It's like blaming Quark for being greedy and selfish or Worf for having warmonger and bloodthirsty instincts, it's deeply embedded in their culture. To me, Damar was probably not a bad guy for a Cardassian.
As Ben Sisko said after he spent time locked in a cave with Dukat, Dukat was the proof that evil really existed, because all Dukat ever cared about was Dukat (and his daughter at some point, maybe). Yet Damar is no Dukat. He clearly did bad things but he probably thought they were good from a Cardassian perspective. I see him as a true patriot who just placed his loyalty with the wrong people through the vast majority of his time on DS9.
1. Q
2. Khan
3. Moriarty
Moriarty, on paper, is above average, but certainly different as far as villain origins go. Mostly for the underlying idea, which mostly cleverly done, on the computer accidentally creating sentience in a hologrammatic simulator, to defeat Data thanks to Geordi. Daniel Davis elevates the character so significantly that he can't help but to shine.
Khan, despite being worthy, is still a bit dated - he and a group of genetically engineered "super humans" survive 200/300/whatever years but retain equally anachronistic 1960s hairdos because their power trip was in the 1990s (and looking mid-30s and equally delicious, why they didn't go the lazy James Bond route and say "1940s", B+ for trying but they should have been from the late-21st century and not mid-20th... it's along the failure of the same "Demolition Man" had by using a timeframe too short to really believe, given the time in which it was scripted and produced... and less so now because it's decades past the decades in which they set these origins... ) That ramble aside, the concept - timeframe notwithstanding - is pretty solid. Ricardo Montelban pretty much steals the show along with the entire studio in the process. Other TOS stories had hooks at the end to make sequels easier than "Space Seed", but Nicholas Meyer certainly saw the potential for Khan more than-- TBH, a theatrical sequel for any other character lacked the scale needed than Khan could and did deliver.
Q was clearly influenced by Trelane's childishness, but they took the trope to a new level and expanded the dickens out of it to make the being a lot more intricate, and certainly not having green glowing nucular family pastiche for a show sold as "adult science fiction" at the time doesn't hurt either, but back to the 1980s/90s:. Q is more a "chaotic good" or "chaotic neutral" than "bad". Bad is good, but his chaotic aspect surely is more entertaining, and John DeLancie is quick to relish the role as much as he propels it in later seasons to be fully rounded to get Picard to think outside of his stuffy old ready room. Sadly, this was largely lost when Voyager got made - leading to an unsatisfactory use of allegory to show the Continuum at "our level", demystifying them in the process.
Honorable mention: Winn.
2. Khan
3. Moriarty
Moriarty, on paper, is above average, but certainly different as far as villain origins go. Mostly for the underlying idea, which mostly cleverly done, on the computer accidentally creating sentience in a hologrammatic simulator, to defeat Data thanks to Geordi. Daniel Davis elevates the character so significantly that he can't help but to shine.
Khan, despite being worthy, is still a bit dated - he and a group of genetically engineered "super humans" survive 200/300/whatever years but retain equally anachronistic 1960s hairdos because their power trip was in the 1990s (and looking mid-30s and equally delicious, why they didn't go the lazy James Bond route and say "1940s", B+ for trying but they should have been from the late-21st century and not mid-20th... it's along the failure of the same "Demolition Man" had by using a timeframe too short to really believe, given the time in which it was scripted and produced... and less so now because it's decades past the decades in which they set these origins... ) That ramble aside, the concept - timeframe notwithstanding - is pretty solid. Ricardo Montelban pretty much steals the show along with the entire studio in the process. Other TOS stories had hooks at the end to make sequels easier than "Space Seed", but Nicholas Meyer certainly saw the potential for Khan more than-- TBH, a theatrical sequel for any other character lacked the scale needed than Khan could and did deliver.
Q was clearly influenced by Trelane's childishness, but they took the trope to a new level and expanded the dickens out of it to make the being a lot more intricate, and certainly not having green glowing nucular family pastiche for a show sold as "adult science fiction" at the time doesn't hurt either, but back to the 1980s/90s:. Q is more a "chaotic good" or "chaotic neutral" than "bad". Bad is good, but his chaotic aspect surely is more entertaining, and John DeLancie is quick to relish the role as much as he propels it in later seasons to be fully rounded to get Picard to think outside of his stuffy old ready room. Sadly, this was largely lost when Voyager got made - leading to an unsatisfactory use of allegory to show the Continuum at "our level", demystifying them in the process.
Honorable mention: Winn.
I'm gonna admit Q never was my favourite Star Trek character, I don't like (nigh) omni-potent characters who just do random stuff with their powers(I have similar dislikes of Impossible Man from Marvel and MrMxyzptlk from DC, and, of course Trelaine) I admit that John DeLancie is a good actor who ads depth to Q and that he hs a couple good episodes going for him, but I just never found him that entertaining.
But yeah in Voyager they took everything alien and unique about the Q and turned them into, basically, a pantheon of Pagan gods who fight wars against each other and have merriages and want to get it on with mortals and stuff like that. The Q and the Grey was just terrible.
Also, they completely forgot about Amanda Rogers with the whole Q baby arc.
That was more egregious.
Khan
Female Founder
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All very effective at implementing their plans and causing as much pain and suffering as possible along the way.
Dukat doesn't even get an Honorable Mention... only because it would feed his already over-inflated ego too much.
Female Founder
Oh
All very effective at implementing their plans and causing as much pain and suffering as possible along the way.
Dukat doesn't even get an Honorable Mention... only because it would feed his already over-inflated ego too much.
Per show:
TOS - Khan, Mudd, ...
TAS - ...
TNG - Q, Moriarty, Lore
DS9 - Dukat, Weyoun, Sloan
Voyager - Seska, Borg Queen, Lon Suder
Enterprise - Silik, Future Guy, Arik Soong
Discovery - Lorca, Osyraa, L'Rell
Short Treks - ...
Picard - Oh, Narissa, Narek
LD - Badgey, Jennifer, ...
TOS - Khan, Mudd, ...
TAS - ...
TNG - Q, Moriarty, Lore
DS9 - Dukat, Weyoun, Sloan
Voyager - Seska, Borg Queen, Lon Suder
Enterprise - Silik, Future Guy, Arik Soong
Discovery - Lorca, Osyraa, L'Rell
Short Treks - ...
Picard - Oh, Narissa, Narek
LD - Badgey, Jennifer, ...
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