If they do bring back Reg, I doubt Dwight will be voicing him. He's said some very controversial things over the last few years.
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I'd buy that, yeah. Moving the established border would effectively ret-con lots of on-screen dialog that indicated that Alpha was more of a central hub of Federation activity. I kind of now wonder why they decided to make it Beta in all the maps after all that.
I kind of miss the early days of the original Mandell maps when the "quadrants" specifically implied our local region of galactic space. Made a little more sense with all the bullshit contrived "Enterprise is the only ship in the Quadrant" dialog. So now, thanks to TNG's remapping, it's "Really? Enterprise is the only single fucking ship in the entire Alpha Quadrant?? How exactly does the Federation maintain order, defense and logistical supply??" Ugh... they really have lost their way in some regards.
Because they made the maps before all that. The standard Trek galaxy map was put together by the art department and published in the writers' technical notes years before the quadrant notations were invented.
I don't know what you guys mean about the core of the Federation being in Beta. The dividing line between Alpha and Beta runs directly through Sol, in the same way that the Prime Meridian dividing the Eastern and Western Hemispheres runs through Greenwich Observatory in London. So the core UFP territory straddles the border the same way London straddles the Prime Meridian. Sure, Vulcan, Andoria, and Alpha Centauri ended up on the Beta side, but they're so close to the border that it's an inconsequential difference on a galactic scale. Nobody worries overmuch about which hemisphere a given London neighborhood is in; such a large-scale measurement is utterly irrelevant for everyday purposes, and the same goes for quadrant notations. Talking about quadrants is only relevant when dealing with matters that span the galaxy, like the Bajoran wormhole or Voyager's abduction.
No.
Worse than the returning Robert Beltran?
Huh, I hadn't heard about that. What did he say?
Who wants to travel through Romulan space?
Where do ships like Cerritos, Titan, and Voyager fit in?
I think it's usually taken for granted that that had to be a different, more localized use of "quadrant" than the Alpha/Beta/Gamma/Delta thing. Probably those are short for "galactic quadrant" and the other is short for something else on a more regional scale, like maybe "sector quadrant," a quarter of a sector (although in 3D space it would make more sense to use octants, as the Concordance pointed out and Star Trek Maps acted on). Or maybe the big ones are Quadrants and the more local ones are just quadrants.
After all, like I mentioned before, the Greek-letter Quadrants are analogous to the hemispheres of the Earth -- they're gross-scale subdivisions of something so large that it's utterly valueless to use them as a reference when talking about anything more local. So in the context of more local geography, if the term is being used, it must mean something different. (Like, say, if I say "I'd like to take a drive in the country," it should be obvious from context that I mean "country" as in "a rural area" rather than "country" as in "The United States of America.")
Humans really are the worst...
Also no.
I'm gonna' stand by that one.
Go for it.
Different era. They totally changed the quadrant designations by the time those ships came around. I don’t think they used that “only ship in the quadrant” nonsense since the TOS films anyway (with TFF being the last to do so maybe?). It’s become an argument of apples vs hand grenades now. The concept of the one isn’t compatible with the concept of the other.
Doing a search of the transcripts on Chakoteya.net, I find that, contrary to popular belief, the only use of the verbatim phrase "the only ship in the quadrant" was in The Wrath of Khan. The Final Frontier had Kirk say "There must be other ships in the quadrant," to which the admiral replied "Other ships, yes, but no experienced commanders."
The only reference I find in TOS itself is "Journey to Babel," where Spock says, "Starfleet records no authorised vessel in this quadrant except ours." But that's in the context of trying to identify the enemy ship, not a justification for the Enterprise's assignment. The only other similar reference I can find is in TAS: "One of Our Planets is Missing": "Starfleet Command has sent the Enterprise to investigate as we're the only vessel in the vicinity of the phenomenon." For what it's worth, "Wolf in the Fold" said that Argelius II was the only spaceport in the quadrant.
So it seems this is a "Beam me up, Scotty" situation, something that's assumed in the lore to be a recurring Trek cliche but really isn't found in TOS itself.
Leaving aside the "only ship" bit, though, it's true that TOS used "quadrant" in a wealth of inconsistent ways that didn't seem to fit the idea of 1/4 of anything. It was as if the word had outgrown that literal meaning and people had just come to use it generally to mean a portion or segment of a thing. There were even references like "quadrant 904" and "quadrant 448" and "quadrant 779X by 534M."
Oh, whatever! Not interested in dialog pedantry or the usual vacuous spraying of serial contrarianism that keeps popping up in threads like this just for the sake of perpetuating a needless argument that nobody really cares about. The line has been used at least once “verbatim” and implied elsewhere several times. It’s still a bullshit line and no amount of post-mortem rationalization will change that as being anything else, other than a lame-ass plot contrivance by lazy-ass “writers” to get the hero ship where it needs to go.
... As I’ve said.
... As I’ve said.
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Touch a nerve?
Live with it yourself.
Or better yet, put me on permanent ignore.
PLEASE, for the love of all-that-does-not-suck, put me on your permanent ignore.
That means forever.
Thanks.
Live with it yourself.
Or better yet, put me on permanent ignore.
PLEASE, for the love of all-that-does-not-suck, put me on your permanent ignore.
That means forever.
Thanks.
I think it's more that the specific phrase in TWOK was adapted as shorthand for all the times the Enterprise was the only ship available to handle a giant space amoeba/runaway doomsday machine/ancient Earth probe that's transcended the bounds of reality.
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