Discovery Klingons add to the rich tapestry of a interstellar Empire and its its history. If fans can handle TMP without explanation and work up their own explanations then Discovery can be worked in just as well.
What is your favorite incarnation of "Klingons?"
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Discovery Klingons are terrifying.
Job well done people!
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Sure. I believe there were references in TNG though that said something to the effect of "the ridges in their brow" were also a source of pride.
Fans did eventually get explanation for that though.
Eventually-30 years later, or something like that.. So eventually we'll get an explanation for Discovery Klingons too. So, no big deal.
...And they, too, kept evolving. Throughout TNG, say, with Worf gaining a few wrinkles - and then more than a few when he transferred to a better-budgeted sho... station.*
Perhaps the right ridges are so important to the Klingons that it is for this very reason that they have evolved plastic surgery to a truly fine art, changing foreheads to suit the occasion.
Timo Saloniemi
*Okay, basically Dorn just got a better billing that let Westmore do more with his makeup.
Maybe, maybe not. Certainly the ENT explanation was out of blue so who knows. I'm content with the Discovery Klingons and they work fine as part of a greater history of a larger power, especially since I would not expect one phenotype in an alien species. That's ridiculous.
It wasn't really "out of the blue" though. A lot of the topics Manny Coto covered in ENT season 4 were talked about much on the internet by Trek fans at that time (including explanation for Klingon make up evolution). It made me wonder if Star Trek writers weren't checking out what fans were saying online.
It was out of the blue in the context of the show. If I need to be reviewing an online forum to watch a show then the show is failing on a massive level. Given that I was not currently on the Internet discussing Trek at the time I would say that it was out of the blue for me.
And, again, it still works as an explanation for the Discovery Klingons, either genetic engineering or selective breeding to emphasize more Klingon attributes. Several Earth cultures emphasize different standards of beauty, depending so why not Klingons? Why only one look?
It was not for me. My friends and I discussed other facets, not make up.I think in the case is Klingon makeup design, it was pretty common knowledge fans had speculated on it for years. You didn't need to read an online forum for that.
Well enough fans that I think anyone that worked on the shows was aware of it. Still, until DS9 I don't think they had any intention of covering it. Then once it was acknowledged in canon that there was a difference the chatter grew and I guess they figured it was time to address it once and for all.
But even still, I don't think it was so much an obligation they felt. Writers love to puzzle things out and they probably saw it partly as a challenge.
Some of our novel authors do that with books. Find ways to explain inconsistencies. But not because they have to. More that it's a challenge. How can I fit a square peg in a round hole and make it sound like it makes sense
And that's fine. I love squaring pegs in to round holes and exploring possibilities. To me that's what the Discovery Klingons are is another layer of possibility. Let's explore than, unpack that, find the uniqueness in that rather than just dismissing it as a poor choice on the part of the production team.
To me, exploring possibilities, even weird ones, is fundamental to what makes Star Trek so interesting. And I have no doubt that the writers were aware of fan chatter. I was merely commenting that for me I was not aware that was in question. Trials and Tribble-ations was probably the first and again it was such a throwaway scene that I found it hardly worth mentioning. But, that's me. My exploration in to the world of Star Trek is more in lines with creating original characters, exploring different ship types and going on away missions, not why an alien appearance changed. IDIC, etc, etc.
Enterprise started out as mostly single episode stories (as opposed to story arcs that span several episodes), so starting up with a new story mid season didn't seem "out of the blue" at the time. Otherwise, you could argue that every new Trek story, not part of a season long story arc, was "out of the blue."
This is missing my point.
Then I don't know what your point was. lol I simply do not understand what relevance there was in your perception that it was "out of the blue."
It was discussed a lot by Trek fans for decades and finally addressed in canon. But, even if that were not the case, it doesn't seem important.
Then i missed out on the great Klingon debate in the organized fandom. But, it never struck me as so important as it would mandate a story. Nor did i see it coming. Thus, out of the blue, unexpected, unconnected to past stories, random.
Mileage will vary
-TNG/DS9/Prime Film Klingons are my favorites.
-I do like how ruthless the TOS Klingons could be, but the costuming and makeup just doesn't compare. I do like the makeup and costuming for the Kelvin Klingons, but not their birds-of-prey (wish we had gotten to see more of their warbirds), and just ultimately I didn't get to see enough of them.
-I don't dislike the DISCO Klingons necessarily, but they look too different from what came before from a stylistic perspective. They could've been a completely new species and it wouldn't have changed the program much at all.
-I do like how ruthless the TOS Klingons could be, but the costuming and makeup just doesn't compare. I do like the makeup and costuming for the Kelvin Klingons, but not their birds-of-prey (wish we had gotten to see more of their warbirds), and just ultimately I didn't get to see enough of them.
-I don't dislike the DISCO Klingons necessarily, but they look too different from what came before from a stylistic perspective. They could've been a completely new species and it wouldn't have changed the program much at all.
Not really. The Klingon virus episodes were a direct sequel to the Augment trilogy from earlier in the season.
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