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Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 2x03 - "We'll Always Have Tom Paris"

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Then said joke falls flat because every senior officer return HAS been explained in each series/film where it occurred - and the crew knew of it.

The bridge crew.

Have we seen an ep where Ensign First-Acting-Job got told the ins-and-outs of how Neelix died and got resurrected by Seven's nanoprobes? Or whether everyone on the new Enterprise-A knew the lowdown on the katra/Genesis thing?
 
The running joke on the show is that the "Lower Deckers" are not privy to all the things going on on the ship or what the senior officers are up to.

So they extended that joke to include explanations about resurrected characters. It's a joke, but it still tracks. "Lower deckers aren't told everything, ergo resurrection details might be among the things they miss out on."

"The crew knew of it"? In those other episodes, the audience is following the senior officers and THEY know what's going on. But those shows don't bother to actually depict low-level ensigns getting the news. Hence the joke.

Don't get the problem here. The joke works perfectly if you get it. But it sounds like you're missing the point and actively trying to fault the logic.

Seriously, you're fucking scaring me right now.

Are these the end times? Is the black cloud of penis-demons about to descend?
 
This was a great episode. I gave it a 9, one higher than last weeks episode, which I also rated one higher than the season premier. The jokes really landed well on this episode, and I was chuckling along for the entire episodes and got most of the references to past series.

I have only seen Voyager once, and can't exactly remember how he sounded. I love Boimler and how he always gets into trouble and survives. The bonsai tree lunch was very funny for me for some reason.

This season has really landed on me, and I hope I can get a 10 at some point. I really want to get a joke that really makes me burst into laugh, though I admit I'm not easily amused.
 
Seriously, you're fucking scaring me right now.

Are these the end times? Is the black cloud of penis-demons about to descend?

Geeze, dial it down. All I did was grow this stylish goatee...

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Don't get the problem here. The joke works perfectly if you get it. But it sounds like you're missing the point and actively trying to fault the logic.
Nurse Chapel was never a senior officer or a bridge crew member, but was aware of all the TOS main character 'resurrections' from stuff like "The Changeling" (Scotty); "The Enterprise Incident" (Kirk) - so yeah sorry but for me part of the trope would be all the nameless faceless redshirts that come back without any explanation to ANYONE <--- That's the trope for the last 55 years.

For all the ones that have come back where the senior staff and the audience has got a explanation, said explanation has never been all that scary/horrible. Far fetched at times, yes, but never 'scary'.

So again, IF you're going to riff a long standing Trek trope, riff it right.
 
My view is that the Lower Deckers don't know what's going on is not nearly as funny as the show thinks it is and was kind of played out in Veritas.
 
If we don't tell you.......it still doesn't make you correct.

A lot of the character voices on Marvel's "What If" don't "sound" right to me at all, even when they've been voiced by the actual actors. It's a thing.
Nurse Chapel was never a senior officer or a bridge crew member, but was aware of all the TOS main character 'resurrections' from stuff like "The Changeling" (Scotty); "The Enterprise Incident" (Kirk) - so yeah sorry but for me part of the trope would be all the nameless faceless redshirts that come back without any explanation to ANYONE <--- That's the trope for the last 55 years.

For all the ones that have come back where the senior staff and the audience has got a explanation, said explanation has never been all that scary/horrible. Far fetched at times, yes, but never 'scary'.

So again, IF you're going to riff a long standing Trek trope, riff it right.

Well, that's not the stated intent by the writers, which was VERY clear. And that isn't actually a trope anywhere but in your own mind. So it wouldn't make much of a good joke.

Nurse Chapel was also a (relatively) major character and also the ship's NURSE, so, yeah, she would know about the lives and deaths of the crew. Ensign Ricky, though, on deck 21 in the phaser upgrade department, wouldn't.

This is getting ridiculous.
 
Nurse Chapel was never a senior officer or a bridge crew member, but was aware of all the TOS main character 'resurrections' from stuff like "The Changeling" (Scotty); "The Enterprise Incident" (Kirk) - so yeah sorry but for me part of the trope would be all the nameless faceless redshirts that come back without any explanation to ANYONE <--- That's the trope for the last 55 years.

For all the ones that have come back where the senior staff and the audience has got a explanation, said explanation has never been all that scary/horrible. Far fetched at times, yes, but never 'scary'.

So again, IF you're going to riff a long standing Trek trope, riff it right.

I sort of get the criticism. I think it's an odd joke to do now because up until this point, even though they are Lower Deck'ers, they seem to be well-aware of what's happening on the ship at all times. Mariner and Boimler have actively worked on the bridge, so, they see what's going on.

I could understand if that was something from the first batch of season 1 episodes.
 
I'm guessing Shaxs' return was a nod to Mr. Leslie in TOS who died in one episode but kept appearing in the background of future episodes. He has a story too, I'm sure.

Mariner served with Worf on DS9??

The cat/box gag made me smile.

Otherwise, watchable but meh.
 
It does occur to me that "Lower Decks," beyond being a comedy show and a love letter, is... kind of a time capsule for the coming generations of Trek fandom. There are so many jokes in so many episodes that would have made me guffaw instead of just chuckle if I was encountering this kind of material for the first time. And the referential game is so far off the charts that I really do have to wonder if they took the "historical documents" bit in Galaxy Quest to heart.

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If I had to guess it’s a copyright thing. The composer or someone representing them owns the copyright on TV themes in most cases so they would have to pay royalties to use it. PIC probably had a greater budget so they sprung for it but LDS doesn’t have the same budget if I had to guess so they had to cheese it a bit by using Harmon muted trumpets to make you think it was the VOY theme.
precisely: as it’s much cheaper to have your regular composer write something that reminds of a popular piece than to actually acquire the copyright to the original composition it’s often done when you need to save a bit on the budget. This clearly wouldn’t have worked on Picard, where the nostalgia of the voyager and TNG themes was considered important and they had more money to spend anyway.


Speaking of cameos, how come no one is campaigning to bring Shatner on board a way or another?!
 
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I'm guessing Shaxs' return was a nod to Mr. Leslie in TOS who died in one episode but kept appearing in the background of future episodes. He has a story too, I'm sure.

Mariner served with Worf on DS9??

The cat/box gag made me smile.

Otherwise, watchable but meh.

It's actually a nod to the half dozen or so major character resurrections across Trek history that the episode specifically calls out.

Dear god, why is everyone looking for hidden meanings when the show literally screams the point right at you?
 
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