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Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 2x03 - "We'll Always Have Tom Paris"

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Most likely yes. Or, maybe he’s having the band resized. When I became a dad my lifestyle changed dramatically, and the ring I put in in 2009 certainly doesn’t fit the same way anymore - I wear it on a different finger these days. Tom is notably trimmer here than he was by the end of “Endgame”, to be sure…

Mark

The live actors must stipulate that their animated selves will be the ideal versions of themselves. Tom was trim with a full head of hair. Riker, too. The real actors look awful (granted, LD is set only a few years after the events of NEM.)
 
Terrifically good episode. One of the series' all-out best. I may have enjoyed this episode more than any other.

This is Trek comedy done right.

And I'm so glad the producers finally listened to me and starting mixing up the character combos. Tendi/Mariner great, Tendi/Rutherford is complete death. Tendi/Rutherford has no friction, no conflict, no juice, no comedy. They're exactly the same. They need to never be together again.

The episode wisely downplayed Tendi's most annoying aspects and just turned her into a recognizable person. Comically high-strung, but not in a completely absurd, way. Mariner's worst aspects were also toned down and she came across as engaging and cool, instead of how she is also ofter overplayed.

It was still big and funny and silly, but with just a whiff of subtlety so it wasn't annoying. I really hope they manage to keep this delicate balance going forward.

And the Boimler subplot was just a delightful, deeply silly goof that escalated nicely. I was a little less of a fan of the Rutherford story as the meta-ness of it bordered on fourth-wall breaking, but it was also well-executed with some legit laughs.

Clever use of lore/legacy elements like Bonestell and even Tom Paris that felt organic (or at least organic enough) not to feel like box checking.

Really, all around great. It's episodes like this that give me hope and keep me coming back even when the series so often shits the bed. More like this PLEASE.

*Worriedly scans the horizon for the arising of Great Cthulhu*
 
Terrifically good episode. One of the series' all-out best. I may have enjoyed this episode more than any other.

This is Trek comedy done right.

And I'm so glad the producers finally listened to me and starting mixing up the character combos. Tendi/Mariner great, Tendi/Rutherford is complete death. Tendi/Rutherford has no friction, no conflict, no juice, no comedy. They're exactly the same. They need to never be together again.

The episode wisely downplayed Tendi's most annoying aspects and just turned her into a recognizable person. Comically high-strung, but not in a completely absurd, way. Mariner's worst aspects were also toned down and she came across as engaging and cool, instead of how she is also ofter overplayed.

It was still big and funny and silly, but with just a whiff of subtlety so it wasn't annoying. I really hope they manage to keep this delicate balance going forward.

And the Boimler subplot was just a delightful, deeply silly goof that escalated nicely. I was a little less of a fan of the Rutherford story as the meta-ness of it bordered on fourth-wall breaking, but it was also well-executed with some legit laughs.

Clever use of lore/legacy elements like Bonestell and even Tom Paris that felt organic (or at least organic enough) not to feel like box checking.

Really, all around great. It's episodes like this that give me hope and keep me coming back even when the series so often shits the bed. More like this PLEASE.
Pretty sure hell, or some variant thereof, just cooled.
 
It’s just a joke.

It's Crewman6. It's entirely possible it's not a joke. Y'know the way Trump would say idiotic or insane stuff and FOX tried to claim "he's just joking"? I'd check with him first, because he may just double-down on this shit.
 
The highlight by far was the A plot with Mariner and Tendi. What really made the episode work for me is that Tendi is finally treated as a real person with some depth, and not a cheerful joke conveyance. I actually loved that the episode lampshaded not only how little Mariner actually knew about Tendi, but how little we knew about her as well. Both of them also got complete, coherent character arcs over the course of the episode, with their relationship breaking down and reforging into something much stronger than what was there before.

Yes! TNG was the first place I ever saw a good friendship between 2 women on TV (not in a comedy) and Star Trek has generally been good about that ever since. I was really *really* pleased to see them working together and giving some real depth to Tendi.

On that note, the return of Shax is brilliant. Don’t get me wrong, at first I was slightly put off, but the more minutes that passed, the more I realised how brilliant a use of the shows premise that it was.

How many times have we seen the whole crew be led to believe that a main character has died? Many. And, how many times has the main character returned? Also many. The idea that no one would go to the effort of explaining that to lower ranked officers feels entirely believable, and whoever thought that up in the writers room is a genius.

Ditto. I lost count of the "back-from-the-dead" references, but enjoyed every one of them.

She's badsexual. She's into bad boys, bad girls, bad non-binary babes...

Nailed it! It's why even the suggestion that she likes Boimler freaked her out. Once you go Good Guy, you never go back. :biggrin:

When Mariner talks about shutting herself off because from making friends, because they always go away, that moment is cheapened when she's surrounded by the same group from S1E1. We need to see people leaving, people dying, to get into the heads of these characters.

I disagree. She was referring to her life previous to the Cerritos group. I really felt for her there. Tawny did a great job.

An entire episode for a cat joke is priceless.
As someone owned by 6 cats, I was laughing REALLY HARD! :guffaw:

Last week had me wondering:

This week has me noticing that,

I don’t think it’s actually

I agree with your first 2, but the 3rd? No, as several others have noted, someone else is pulling the strings.


BWAH-HAH-HAH! LOVE IT!

Boimler geeking out over the VOY crew was fun, especially with his little collector's plates. I love how he calls Voyager VOY like we all do to save time. :D

"This is how we kick ass in the Delta Quadrant!"

The planet that Tendi and Mariner had the girl trip to had a Quarks! Right around the time Mariner also mentioned she served on DS9! My DS9 fanboy heartbeat skipped a bit faster at those callouts.

Having only learned the VOY shortcut since I've been on this board, I totally appreciated it! I'm also a DS9 fan, so the Quarks franchise (of course he did that!) was great!

He never had a wedding band. It was actually tasty, tasty corn. Or maybe a Cheerio?

Onion ring. :D

Pretty sure hell, or some variant thereof, just cooled.

Nah, it's gonna be 112 here today. :devil:

All in all, I am really loving this show. It makes me laugh, and I really need that.
 
Considering Berman had zero sense of humour, I'm not really seeing how Lower Decks is anything like what we got in the 90's.
And the dialogue isn't generic (could fit basically any character for the most part) - plus these characters have personality that doesn't take 30+ episodes to emerge.
^^^
So yeah, NOT like Berman era Trek at all - except for the reset button. ;)

Liked it - nothing in particular stands out, but I still rate it an 8.

Man, my favourite of the season, so far.

Everything landed, for me. The Mariner and Tendi storyline was great, as a way to let us find out more about them. Mariner served on DS9, back when Sisko was commanding officer? F’n awesome (and explains how she’s referred to her friendship with Worf, throughout season one).

Boimler’s stuff was fun, and the Kazon reference tickled me. I’m happy with how Paris was used, given he’s likely going to spend most time with senior officers, meaning we wouldn’t see him too much given we follow those on the lower decks.

On that note, the return of Shax is brilliant. Don’t get me wrong, at first I was slightly put off, but the more minutes that passed, the more I realised how brilliant a use of the shows premise that it was.

How many times have we seen the whole crew be led to believe that a main character has died? Many. And, how many times has the main character returned? Also many. The idea that no one would go to the effort of explaining that to lower ranked officers feels entirely believable, and whoever thought that up in the writers room is a genius.

I think it was more of a riff at TOS - as they often had many of the 'extra' redshirsts who clearly died (and often with a face close up of the body with Kirk or McCoy lamenting some aspect of the death) suddenly back on duty/walking the corridor the next week.
^^^
I say that because most of the time when a main character dies and returns (like Spock) we DO often see/hear the explanation.
 
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*Worriedly scans the horizon for the arising of Great Cthulhu*

Pretty sure hell, or some variant thereof, just cooled.

Don't know why everyone is so shocked. While my criticisms have been harsh (which the show has deserved, often), I have also given it plenty of praise on those (less often) occasions when it deserved that, too. I was quite complimentary of the last couple episodes of Season 1, which were good, and I even said nice things about "Kayshon, His Eyes Open."

You live by the sword, you die by the sword!


Let's just not make this about @Crewman6, okay? And I mean it. Thank you.

Awww. Can't we, though....just a little??
 
I think it was more of a riff at TOS - as they often had many of the 'extra' redshirsts who clearly died (and often with a face close up of the body with Kirk or McCoy lamenting some aspect of the death) suddenly back on duty/walking the corridor the next week.
^^^
I say that because most of the time when a main character dies and returns (like Spock) we DO often see/hear the explanation.

That was absolutely not the point of the joke at all. The point of the joke was very clearly stated: "Senior officers" (aka series regulars) come back from the dead a lot. Which is a trope in TV because audiences fall in love with those characters, but the gag is that insignificant junior officers (not the audience, who follow the leads) wouldn't be privy to those details most of the time (which is true.)

It certainly wasn't an extremely obscure and not-at-all explained "joke" about the fact that 50 years ago they would sometimes recycle background actors.
 
That was absolutely not the point of the joke at all. The point of the joke was very clearly stated: "Senior officers" (aka series regulars) come back from the dead a lot. Which is a trope in TV because audiences fall in love with those characters, but the gag is that insignificant junior officers (not the audience, who follow the leads) wouldn't be privy to those details most of the time (which is true.)

It certainly wasn't an extremely obscure and not-at-all explained "joke" about the fact that 50 years ago they would sometimes recycle background actors.
Then said joke falls flat because every senior officer return HAS been explained in each series/film where it occurred - and the crew knew of it.
 
Then said joke falls flat because every senior officer return HAS been explained in each series/film where it occurred - and the crew knew of it.

The running joke on the show is that the "Lower Deckers" are not privy to all the things going on on the ship or what the senior officers are up to.

So they extended that joke to include explanations about resurrected characters. It's a joke, but it still tracks. "Lower deckers aren't told everything, ergo resurrection details might be among the things they miss out on."

"The crew knew of it"? In those other episodes, the audience is following the senior officers and THEY know what's going on. But those shows don't bother to actually depict low-level ensigns getting the news. Hence the joke.

Don't get the problem here. The joke works perfectly if you get it. But it sounds like you're missing the point and actively trying to fault the logic.
 
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