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Either way, Earthshock is a problem. Dated as 2526 but the Cyberscope shows Revenge, which appears to be the aftermath of the anti-Cybermen alliance being created in Earthshock.

Of course the new series messes up what little makes sense of Cyber-history in the original run. Then it seemed as if they were extinct by 3000 ish, but now they exist millions of years into the future. Though the inevitability of multiple origins might explain that.
 
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Of course the new series messes up what little makes sense of Cyber-history in the original run. Then it seemed as if they were extinct by 3000 ish, but now they exist millions of years into the future. Though the inevitability of multiple origins might explain that.

Well, the new series pretty much assumes that the Time War rewrote the universe's history, which is why all those invasions of Earth between the 1970s and the early 2000s didn't happen, and why we don't have a weather-control Moonbase or the global institutions of "The Enemy of the World" or whatever.

Still, I don't know why, but I find the idea of multiple independent Cyberman origins oddly agreeable. Maybe because it somewhat accounts for inconsistencies of design (though we've seen two different designs for Telos Cybermen in "Tomb" and "Attack", or maybe just because it makes sense that it's a huge universe and anything that happens once is bound to happen more than once.

I tend to have a similar thought about the Borg and the contradictory origins they've been conjectured to have in various Star Trek novels, short stories, and comics. I figure that more than one of those origins could be true, since if you have two or more separate collective cyborg consciousnesses driven to assimilate other life and technology, then it stands to reason that they would eventually meet and merge into one.
 
Yeah, on the whole I think that the idea that humanoids plus technology inevitably leads to Cybermen is a good background for inconsistencits.
 
I just finished the first series of I, Davros. It was okay, though spending four-plus hours with a main character as sociopathic and unsympathetic as Davros was not a particularly inviting idea. Still, I guess it's better than the alternative of trying to make him a sympathetic figure who went wrong somewhere. But one problem is that at times it felt like it was embracing the idea that science is intrinsically inhuman and immoral, which I don't care for. In regular Doctor Who, you have the Doctor as a representative of the ethical, humanist side of science to balance out Davros's ruthless corruption of science, but here that balance was absent. So while Terry Molloy did a good job with the role, it ultimately ended up being just a catalog of escalating atrocities, and that was of limited interest to me.

My biggest problem is that its portrayal of Skaro contradicted "Genesis of the Daleks" (and "The Magician's Apprentice" eventually), and in a far less interesting way. One of the more striking ideas in "Genesis" was its portrayal of Skaro's unending war starting out with very futuristic technology and gradually degenerating to more primitive arms because of the steady depletion of resources and the expertise to maintain them. It gave it interesting texture while also effectively illustrating the cost and futility of the perpetual war, and I would've liked it if some work had developed that idea in more detail. But I, Davros ignored all that and portrayed Skaro in Davros's generation with a level of technology resembling the early 20th century, with Davros's mentor just beginning to research nuclear energy and radiation, and even with powered flight being treated as a novelty. Not only was that a huge contradiction of "Genesis," and a failure of interesting worldbuilding, but it had the effect of essentially giving Davros exclusive credit for nearly all of Skaro's advanced technology, from genetic engineering to the Dalek gun, which is way too simplistic and aggrandizes him too much. And the contradiction makes it hard to buy this as any kind of authoritative origin story. I guess maybe you could handwave it as Davros rediscovering advanced technologies that had been lost and forgotten, but there was nothing in the miniseries that clearly suggested that, and it's inconsistent with "Genesis" showing ray guns and animal skins coexisting on the same soldiers. As far as I'm concerned, they just plain got it wrong, and it's difficult to understand why.
 
I've finished the special The Davros Mission, which is paired with I, Davros as part of the series, though it's an unconnected story set after "Revelation of the Daleks" and showing how Davros got from being taken away by the Renegade Daleks for trial in "Revelation" to being the Emperor Dalek in "Remembrance" (though in a weird way, since it has the Renegades in the former becoming the Imperial faction in the latter). It's not great, and it suffers badly from its heavy focus on a pair of very unfunny comic-relief alien slaves aboard the Dalek ship, who both help and hinder the Thal protagonist on her secret mission. It seems like writer Nicholas Briggs was going for a Robert Holmes vibe with the working-class comedy duo commenting on events, but Briggs is no Robert Holmes.

There was also a weird, ill-considered plot element in that the Thal agent had a stealth suit that rendered her invisible to all Dalek detection devices, and Davros initially couldn't see her, which she took to mean that he'd "become a Dalek," but then as his perspective changed through their debate, he began to see her because he was becoming less Dalek-ish or something. Which doesn't make any sense. Davros is eyeless and sees through an artificial eye in his forehead, presumably based on similar technology to a Dalek eyestalk. So it stands to reason that he couldn't see her, and it makes no sense that a simple change in his attitude would somehow alter the technology he sees by and allow him to see her after all. A very clumsy, failed attempt at symbolism.

This standalone tale of Davros being taken by the Daleks for trial and execution reminds me that I, Davros had a frame story involving a different "trial" of Davros by the Daleks -- more a trial run, as it turned out, to get his help at fixing their mistakes, prompting him to reflect on his origins and how he got where he is -- but it fizzled out without a resolution. It was never clear to me where that frame story fell in Davros's timeline, and whether these two "trials" are separate events or contradictory versions of the same event. Even aside from that, it was a problem in the structure of the original miniseries that it failed to give any closure to the frame story, or establish how Davros's reminiscences about his life helped serve the agenda he was supposedly pursuing in the frame.


So... now the only BF stuff left on Hoopla is a few Bernice Summerfields and most of the Iris Wildthyme series. Not sure how interested I am in either of those.
 
That show is magic. Even when it got stale near the end, it was still worth watching. Maybe the best legacy of Talons and Robert Holmes.

(incidentally, Elizabeth Sandifer is once again "tired" of Talons being defended or whatever)
 
Well, I just finished Epoch, the first of the Bernice Summerfield box sets that they have on Hoopla. It was apparently meant to be a jumping-on point for new audiences, but there's still a good deal of reference to prior continuity, particularly in the closing minutes. The stories are weird and the unifying narrative isn't particularly coherent, especially in the fourth story.

But I'm finally sold on Lisa Bowerman as Benny, more so than in the couple of Seventh Doctor audios I heard her in. My mental model for Benny in the novels was always Jacqueline Pearce, since her image on the cover of her debut novel looked similar. But Bowerman did a very effective job capturing the wry, acerbic voice I've always imagined for Benny, though she's more animated and less coolly sardonic than the Benny in my head. But that makes her more Doctor-like, and I'm okay with that. It's a charismatic and effective performance, fun to listen to. I just wish the stories held together better.
 
But I'm finally sold on Lisa Bowerman as Benny, more so than in the couple of Seventh Doctor audios I heard her in. My mental model for Benny in the novels was always Jacqueline Pearce, since her image on the cover of her debut novel looked similar.

I still haven't listened to much of Benny's audio material because I'm so far behind on the Doctor's, but when I was reading the Benny NAs my mental image of her was usually Tamsin Greig.
 
I still haven't listened to much of Benny's audio material because I'm so far behind on the Doctor's, but when I was reading the Benny NAs my mental image of her was usually Tamsin Greig.

Hmm, I don't remember her well, but from her photos and what impressions I do retain, that seems like potentially a good choice.
 
I'm still working my way through Bernice Summerfield, and it's pretty uneven. Road Trip was a trio of comedy tales, and I haven't generally thought much of Big Finish's attempts at comedy. Legion is weird -- they go to the trouble of setting up this new rough-hewn and dangerous setting, this lawless frontier town where life is cheap and all that, and then they don't do anything with it; the first story is a murder mystery off on a ship somewhere, and the second (which is as far as I've gotten) is some weird horror-anthology thing that's basically a pilot for a Dorian Gray spinoff. Also, how is Dorian Gray a real person here when there was a Jago & Litefoot that featured Oscar Wilde and basically had him inspired to write The Picture of Dorian Gray as a fictionalized version of his adventure with J&L (if I recall it correctly)?

But then, I'm unclear to what extent Bernice Summerfield is meant to share continuity with Doctor Who. It does feature the Irving Braxiatel character who's been established in prose and audio as the Doctor's brother, but apparently it's an alternate-timeline version of him or something. And there are contradictions like the Dorian Gray thing and a reference to Mars never having supported any life beyond bacteria (which would surprise the heck out of the Ice Warriors, not to mention Sutekh). Plus I've never heard Benny reference traveling with the Doctor beyond some vague mentions of traveling through time and space, which could just be references to her past adventures in her solo series. I assume there are licensing reasons for that avoidance, but it still makes it unclear what continuity relationship exists, if any.
 
Tonight I listened to 100, the 100th in the main range. Four short stories with the Sixth Doctor and Evelyn Smithe, by four writers. The first two are reasonably fun romps messing with history (not least in that the first story refers to an event in the second as something that's already happened). The third is a much darker, more claustrophobic tale of a family with a dangerous secret. And the fourth is a sometimes meta tale of Sixie lurching frantically through his own past and future to find an assassin who at some point shot him with a viral weapon that will kill him in a hundred days. Not the only meta thing about this one. It's fun, as Evelyn gets to see other incarnations of the Doctor in action. And Six proves that he's capable of a devious plan or two. Enjoyable overall, but a more subtle anniversary celebration than might be expected.

Tomorrow night, I hope, I'll try 103, The Girl Who Never Was. I'm fairly sure I've listened to this a long time ago, because I thought we finished the Charlie Pollard arc then went into the Lucie Miller stories years back, but it's not flagged as already heard in my Doctor Who audio spreadsheet. Guess I'll see.

EDIT: The next day. Okay, I've listened to The Girl Who Never Was, and I don't think I've heard it before. I know we listened to the last C'rizz story and I thought I'd listened to this one, but it was not familiar. So, a lot of timey-wimey shenanigans, Cybermen, and a lot less time spent on big goodbyes than I'd expected. And a post-credits scene setting up what comes next. Well, that was reasonably entertaining, if not earth-shattering.

ANOTHER EDIT because as I recall it's considered spamming on the TrekBBS to reply to your own post. I listened to the first half of Castle of Fear last night. It's not awful so far, but it is trying way too hard to be Monty Python. It's one thing to bring a Pythonesque sense of humour to a story, but too often the writer of this one thinks it's enough to throw in elements taken directly from Monty Python and the Holy Grail or wherever. Introducing French knights with outrageous accents and references to mothers and elderberries is just coasting on someone else's work.

2021/09/11: Finished the Stockbridge trilogy with The Eternal Summer and Plague of the Daleks. Eternal Summer had some good moments before getting tangled in its technobabble, a bit of Sapphire and Steel in the mix. As for Plague of the Daleks... well, it managed not to focus too much on the Daleks, which generally helps.

And I followed up with A Thousand Tiny Wings, the first of the Seventh Doctor stories bringing back alternate universe Nazi Elizabeth Klein. This was a pretty grim story, appropriate enough for a Doctor travelling alone post-Ace. A small group of white British colonial women -- and Klein -- are hiding in a farmhouse as the Mau Mau rebellion spreads through Kenya. That's more than enough for a pretty suspenseful story, but the stakes are raised with a dangerous alien threat. The story stays grim and suspenseful. It may be that it actually is a fair bit shorter than the Davisons, but it certainly felt like I got through it more quickly.

So should I just keep on editing this post until someone else posts, or at some point does it become unspammy to reply to myself?
 
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Well, I've now finished listening to the Bernice Summerfield box sets. The finale brings together things that were set up in the first box set, a long-delayed payoff, but I can't say it worked very well as a story arc, since it was never really brought up between the first box set and the penultimate story. Instead, they just did a bunch of episodic tales that were rather uneven in quality and gave the whole series a rather unfocused feel. Beyond giving me something to listen to while I did the dishes, it didn't really do much for me.

It was kind of weird coming into this long-running series so late in the game, since characters kept talking about how much time-traveling Benny did, yet aside from the first box set, the entire sequence took place in the same time period, except for occasional flashbacks. So that felt a little incongruous.

Well, now all they have left on Hoopla is the Iris Wildthyme series, and I'm not sure I want to bother. I like Katy Manning, but I haven't been crazy about Big Finish's attempts at comedy.
 
Tonight I listened to 100, the 100th in the main range. Four short stories with the Sixth Doctor and Evelyn Smithe, by four writers. The first two are reasonably fun romps messing with history (not least in that the first story refers to an event in the second as something that's already happened). The third is a much darker, more claustrophobic tale of a family with a dangerous secret. And the fourth is a sometimes meta tale of Sixie lurching frantically through his own past and future to find an assassin who at some point shot him with a viral weapon that will kill him in a hundred days. Not the only meta thing about this one. It's fun, as Evelyn gets to see other incarnations of the Doctor in action. And Six proves that he's capable of a devious plan or two. Enjoyable overall, but a more subtle anniversary celebration than might be expected.
Rather lovely all-around. Lidster's story was predictably the darkest one, and Shearman's also predictably the funniest. Rayner's surprisingly funny, as well.

Tomorrow night, I hope, I'll try 103, The Girl Who Never Was. I'm fairly sure I've listened to this a long time ago, because I thought we finished the Charlie Pollard arc then went into the Lucie Miller stories years back, but it's not flagged as already heard in my Doctor Who audio spreadsheet. Guess I'll see.

EDIT: The next day. Okay, I've listened to The Girl Who Never Was, and I don't think I've heard it before. I know we listened to the last C'rizz story and I thought I'd listened to this one, but it was not familiar. So, a lot of timey-wimey shenanigans, Cybermen, and a lot less time spent on big goodbyes than I'd expected. And a post-credits scene setting up what comes next. Well, that was reasonably entertaining, if not earth-shattering.
This always was kinda overrated to me. Like the Doomsday two-parter, a companion exit that's more talked-about for the event than for the quality of the story within. Still, I really did enjoy it when I last listened to it last year.

ANOTHER EDIT
because as I recall it's considered spamming on the TrekBBS to reply to your own post. I listened to the first half of Castle of Fear last night. It's not awful so far, but it is trying way too hard to be Monty Python. It's one thing to bring a Pythonesque sense of humour to a story, but too often the writer of this one thinks it's enough to throw in elements taken directly from Monty Python and the Holy Grail or wherever. Introducing French knights with outrageous accents and references to mothers and elderberries is just coasting on someone else's work.

2021/09/11: Finished the Stockbridge trilogy with The Eternal Summer and Plague of the Daleks. Eternal Summer had some good moments before getting tangled in its technobabble, a bit of Sapphire and Steel in the mix. As for Plague of the Daleks... well, it managed not to focus too much on the Daleks, which generally helps.
My, my, someone went into a Fifth/Nyssa route. IMO, that Doctor's best companion dynamic, and quite easily too. Can't comment further, though, as I've not listened to those in a long while - but, I remember enjoying them, except for Plague of the Daleks, which I don't remember almost at all.

And I followed up with A Thousand Tiny Wings, the first of the Seventh Doctor stories bringing back alternate universe Nazi Elizabeth Klein.
Alternate timeline Nazi Klein. Remember, she came from the same universe as the Doctor, just a timeline in which the Nazis ruled over everything.

This was a pretty grim story, appropriate enough for a Doctor travelling alone post-Ace. A small group of white British colonial women -- and Klein -- are hiding in a farmhouse as the Mau Mau rebellion spreads through Kenya. That's more than enough for a pretty suspenseful story, but the stakes are raised with a dangerous alien threat. The story stays grim and suspenseful. It may be that it actually is a fair bit shorter than the Davisons, but it certainly felt like I got through it more quickly.
See, due to the political climate lately, I fear such experimental story takes would not happen today. The Doctor travelling with a Nazi?! What a thought! And it helps tremendously that the stories themselves (this trilogy that is) are really, really good. This is a controversial opinion, but Klein might actually be the best companion of the Seventh, precisely because her complicated, duplicitous nature compliments the equally complicated, Machiavellian-like Doctor rather wonderfully.

So should I just keep on editing this post until someone else posts, or at some point does it become unspammy to reply to myself?
Realistically, do the latter, cause these edits don't bring notice to your new thoughts on what you listened to. But after this, and Christopher's post previously, you won't need to do the former it seems.
 
Realistically, do the latter, cause these edits don't bring notice to your new thoughts on what you listened to. But after this, and Christopher's post previously, you won't need to do the former it seems.

Yeah, I had no idea Steve was posting new thoughts until I came here to post mine. I don't think it counts as spamming if there's a reasonable amount of time between posts by the same person, and a reasonable, uh, reason to post consecutively, like adding new reviews.
 
So, I haven't managed to get through a whole audio every night, but at least part of one.

When last I posted, I'd started on the trilogy of Klein/Seventh Doctor stories. The Seventh Doctor does seem to get himself into stories that wouldn't happen with other Doctors. Which is a good thing. We don't need a lot of interchangeable Doctors and adventures.

In Survival of the Fittest, the Doctor and Klein find themselves on a planet populated by strange aliens being killed off by unscrupulous humans, and Klein seems to be learning the lessons the Doctor is trying to teach her, becoming a better person. But no. In The Architects of History, time is wrong, due to Klein stealing the Doctor’s Tardis and trying to remake the universe as a Nazi dream. But it’s not a big time-spanning story, it’s mainly set on a moonbase attacked by the sharklike Selachians. Over the course of the three stories, we’re sometimes led to think there’s hope for Klein. But a Nazi is a Nazi. As for the Selachians, as much as their creator Steve Lyons loves them, has anyone else written about them? Once you get past the novelty of sentient evil sharks, which doesn't take long, considering he's used them in novels and audios, there's not much to do that can't be done with other villains.

The next trilogy features Colin Baker as the Sixth Doctor. In City of Spires, the Doctor finds himself in a distorted version of Highlands Scotland. He encounters Jamie McCrimmon, whose memories of the Doctor were wiped by the Time Lords after The War Games. He’s a few decades older but still fighting the British and their strange monstrous assistants, who are drilling for oil and building a big city to refine it and do sinister things. But there are people there from different decades, and Scotland is not recognizable because of the mysterious villain’s activities. The Wreck of the Titan brings a lot of nautical adventure, with the Doctor and Jamie finding themselves on the sinking Titan, then the sinking Titanic, and then on Captain Nemo’s Nautilus, and the listener figures out where the Doctor is before he seems to. In Legend of the Cybermen, the Doctor, realizing he’s been in the Land of Fiction through all of this, finds himself in a war with Cybermen determined to convert everyone in the Land of Fiction, and with help from Jamie, Zoe, and some of the land’s picturesque inhabitants, he has to find the Land’s Mistress. The thing is, once it’s clear they’re in the Land of Fiction, the story’s stakes seem a lot lower. There are good stretches of the story that are a lot of fun but they’re generally in the first two parts.

Next up: the Fifth Doctor, Tegan, Turlough, and an older Nyssa in what turns into a Mara trilogy. In Cobwebs, the Doctor, Tegan, and Turlough find themselves in an abandoned base — literally, as the skeletons in a medical suite are theirs. And they find Nyssa, who’s left Terminus and is researching a deadly disease. And there’s some jumping between the same place in two times. It’s a bit twisty and suspenseful. In The Whispering Forest, the gang find themselves on a planet with a small human colony living a low tech existence and obsessed with cleanliness and with the mysterious Takers, who kidnap their people but are never seen, and Shades, insubstantial whispering things in the woods. Yes, there’s a long ago crashed spaceship and the ship’s robots and a hidden medical facility and other complications. As for The Cradle of the Snake, well, a change of setting to a big city on a futuristic alien planet that isn't actually a hell of a lot different from anywhere on Earth in 2010 has some fun elements with all the media stuff. Passing the Mara on to the Doctor means less possessed Tegan, which seems like a good thing. I'm not all that much of a fan, though she occasionally has her moments.

(Skipping the Seventh Doctor, Ace, and Hex stories that follow for now.)

Next up, a bit of an oddity. Instead of a trilogy of full length audios, it's The Demons of Red Lodge and Other Stories, four short individual Fifth Doctor stories. Which turns out to be a pleasant change of pace. The title story starts out as a nicely spooky historical then turns into a science fiction chiller. Nicely atmospheric. The second story is a cautionary tale about the evils of progressive rock, though that's not quite what it set out to do. The third is another "Doctor in prison" story, not too memorable, though I enjoyed it well enough while listening. And it ends with a good, fun story told as the audio track of a special feature from a DVD. Conceptually interesting, but carried out well, too. None of the short stories overstay their welcome, though it's easy to imagine the first three rewritten slightly as Short Trips. The fourth works best as is.

Then we get a Sixth Doctor trilogy with Thomas Brewster. I haven't heard his earlier adventures because in order to make sure I pay attention while listening, I'm currently limiting myself to episodes I have the scripts for, and reading along as I listen. And Brewster is not all that exciting a character, a young Dickensian rogue. A trilogy feels like enough. I liked the modern day cop story feel (with occasional interruptions) of The Crimes of Thomas Brewster, along with Brewster's masquerading as the Doctor. The Feast of Axos, as a space adventure with a returning villain, engaged me at the time but hasn't really stuck with me. Industrial Evolution seemed more memorable, with Brewster in his own time, and a science fictional threat that works pretty well. The plain old industrial revolution was disruptive enough without alien interference. With the number of characters in these stories, though, it doesn't always feel like we're getting enough of Evelyn Smythe. She's got Thomas Brewster, DI Menzies, Flip, and several other characters to share time with.

Then another Fifth Doctor trilogy with Tegan, Turlough, and older Nyssa. Heroes of Sontar, Kiss of Death, and Rat Trap all have a fairly small cast of characters in a relatively confined environment. They're all entertaining enough, but ask me about them next year and I'm not sure I'll remember much. Kiss of Death has some character moments for Turlough, which is good, and Rat Trap is a bit more gruesome than we might expect to see on TV. Not on par with James Herbert's The Rats, necessarily, but just as much not recommended for people who really don't like rats.

Next up is Robophobia, with the Seventh Doctor meeting future companion Liv Chenka in a sequel to The Robots of Death. I've heard several Eighth Doctor audios with Liv, so this should be interesting.

I have to admit that sometimes this feels more like homework than fun. But I'm not getting any younger and I've bought a lot of stuff that I haven't listened to yet. I may have to take a break and listen to some recent Torchwoods (I didn't fall behind on those until I started teleworking), even though I don't have scripts. But the average Torchwood main range audio has generally seemed more enjoyable than the average Doctor Who main range audio. Being shorter helps, I guess.
 
Nine days since my last post, so I'll assume this isn't spammy. I've listened to at least thirty main range audios over the last month or two. Not a lot out of a range of 275, but that means that since 2001 I've listened to 111 of the numbered main range audios. (Have I mentioned that I keep a spreadsheet? Pretty much essential if you're buying downloads and not just moving CDs from the unplayed shelf to the played shelf, as I did early on.)

The last few have been reasonably enjoyable. After years of wondering why so few Regency/Napoleonic era Doctor Who stories across the franchise, I've gotten Mary Shelley, a virtual reality Jane Austen experience, and Waterloo in just a few days. I don't suppose there are many more of the four in one releases like The Demons of Red Lodge and Other Stories or Recorded Time and Other Stories to come, but I think they were a good idea. Not everything needs to be two hours long.
 
I haven’t had much time for Big Finish lately, but I did buy Stranded 3 right before the pre-order pricing ended, and I’ve listened to it over the past week. The “trapped in contemporary London” framework is completely gone at this point; there are theoretical constraints on where the TARDIS can go, but they don’t put any practical limits on the kind of story that can be told. Unfortunately, this means that the set slides toward the generic, uninspired Doctor Who that Big Finish puts out so much of. The first and third stories are the same strong, character-focused work we’ve seen from previous sets, but the second is a run-of-the-mill “drive out the occupiers and save the alien civilization” story, and the fourth is a completely paint-by-numbers action finale that attempts to make itself more interesting by using a dated structural gimmick that has no narrative or thematic justification. The fact that it has to introduce crude narration to make the gimmick work should have been a sign that it wasn’t worth doing in the first place. I really hope Stranded 4 brings back the focus on character and the larger supporting cast.
 
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