I have nothing against Tilly as a character. I do not find her to be "hot" . To be fair I often find commenting on the attractiveness of a fictional character to be unusual for me to do.
What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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I’m in general just not a fan of Tilly. But it has nothing to do with her appearance. But I’m not rabid anti-Tilly either.
How’s this for controversial….
Enterprise should have started its credits with Archer doing the “Space, the Final Frontier…” spiel. No matter if they stuck with “Where My Heart Will Take Me” or used something like “Archers theme.”
How’s this for controversial….
Enterprise should have started its credits with Archer doing the “Space, the Final Frontier…” spiel. No matter if they stuck with “Where My Heart Will Take Me” or used something like “Archers theme.”
I find myself agreeing with that.
The Sheliak were the Ba'ul
A few friendly warning shots off their bow and thee negotiations would have gone better.
Kirk would have known how to deal with them.
Is this my college writing teacher?
I'll take that as a compliment. I never got to college.
You should look up some definiitns:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/protagonist
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/antagonist
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hero
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/villain
You can see by the definition that fictional antagonists and villains overlap but are not identical.
I don't think that originated with Star Trek.
Sure didn't!
More commonly, "Everyone is the hero of their own narrative."
The germ of that idea goes way back. Try this.
Every traveller is necessarily the hero of his own story, especially if he happens to travel alone. When he has the felicity of a companion the unavoidable egotism is obscured by the use of the social pronoun.
And...—1812, Voyages and Travels in the Years 1809, 1810 and 1811; Containing Statistical, Commercial, and Miscellaneous Observations on Gibraltar, Sardinia, Sicily, Malta, Serigo, and Turkey by John Galt, Quote Page 347 and 348, Printed for T. Cadell and W. Davies, The Strand, London.
“In life,” he said, “there are no essentially major or minor characters. To that extent, all fiction and biography, and most historiography, are a lie. Everyone is necessarily the hero of his own life story. Hamlet could be told from Polonius’s point of view and called The Tragedy of Polonius, Lord Chamberlain of Denmark. He didn’t think he was a minor character in anything, I daresay.
—1958 Copyright, End of the Road by John Barth, Quote Page 71, Avon Books, New York. (Verified with scans of Second Avon Library Edition, Third Printing, August 1966)
Khan is definitely an example of a man who was always the hero in his own mind. His explanation of the period of the Eugenics Wars on Earth during the shipboard dinner scene in "Space Seed(TOS)" betrays a man who genuinely and heartfeltly believed he and his fellow genetic supermen had helped guide mankind to a better and more peaceful future and were betrayed by humanity's refusal to embrace superior intelligence and physical strength.
Too many fans cling to the "c" word or try to gatekeep Star Trek to stay the way they want it to and not let it change and evolve, and grow.
Khan is a roach, he was more interested in vengeance than even taking care of the people that were devoted to him. He's the reason why they all died.
Canon "BOOM!"
Khan in "The Wrath of Kahn" is a broken man. Captain Ahab, and Kirk is his whale. It nicely turns that narrative around. Recall that Ahab lost everything in pursuit of Moby Dick. So does Khan. Kirk is having a mid life crisis, and that is the main plot of the film, Khan is narrating his own film in which he avenges all the wrongs against him.
Exactly. I think it is often ignored at how tragic these characters lives are and how grief and trauma can impact even the strongest mind.
In that vein I find Nero an extremely interesting villain because he is a an everyman who witnessed an extreme tragedy and driven insane. He is trying to right the wrong the only way he felt he could.
Nero could well have been a hero before Romulus was destroyed and the death of his wife and unborn child and the destruction of his homeworld pushed him over the psychological edge into being capable of mass murder. Dr. Soran in GEN was similar. A man who in his own words "wouldn't hurt a fly" before the Borg destroyed the El-Aurian homeworld and once he'd been in the Nexus with recreations of his family was willing to do anything it took to return there. Including killing hundreds of millions of living beings he'd never even met.
Let's not forget that Nero is a mass murderer. I hope you don't feel the same way about Hitler.
Interesting fictional villain is different from real world horrific men doing abhorrent things.
Nice to see Godwin so early in the morning.
Yeah, but he's killed six billion people... I don't see how you can just sweep that under the rug. Besides, I don't find him interesting in the least. He talks and behaves like a village idiot. It's even hard to believe that he's the captain of that ship. I find the scene when he's moving around yelling: "Spock! Spock:!" to be hilarious. I've never seen a villain with less depth to him than this one or maybe the Packleds...
I didn't sweep anything under. I was merely looking at the mental breakdown.
Mileage will vary on interest.
Guinan is a terrible character. She often speaks in riddles and gives half assed advice, why would anyone go to her for advice but they make it sound like she's some otherworldly person like the Q but you never see any of her otherworldly powers.
She's just a good listener, like any bartender. And she can spot a temporal anomaly at ten paces.
hmmmmmm you got me.. I just don't like the character that much.
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