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My DS9 Rewatch Odyssey

Always fun to rewatch this one! I agree, many plot holes could be found, but as you say it's stylish and irresistibly entertaining. Visitor's good at playing the sultry tease in the slinky cocktail gowns - the strapless red one for the 3rd time. The action is so well timed--the underworld actors, the sets, costumes, music, gangster lingo- it all works. I probably missed some in-jokes by not being familiar with “Oceans Eleven.”

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Great review. The episode is largely stress relief, and does.a fair job at it. Darren and Brooks are both decent singers, but someone who is better at singing Fly Me To The Moon won't fit well with someone who is better at Lost in the Stars.

I’m not sure how I feel about Sisko’s reference to “our people”, because in Star Trek there’s always been a sense that there’s no longer “my people” and “your people”, but just PEOPLE. However, it would seem that that Earth, and by extension the Federation, isn’t in fact a “melting pot” in which all differences are absorbed into one homogenised Borg-like whole, as Eddington unkindly asserted in “For the Cause”. Rather, “Infinite Diversity” is preserved and we’ve already seen that Sisko has a strong identification with African American culture based on the decor of his quarters and some of his off-duty clothing—which I love. This suggests that cultural and racial divisions still exist, although, fortunately, humankind is now united in a spirit of oneness in spite of outward divisions. I find this an interesting idea and fascinating topic. It’s something that’s worthy of further exploration and that, obviously, doesn’t happen in an otherwise lightweight piece like this. As such, the Sisko/Kasidy scenes are interesting yet tonally jarring in the context of the rest of the episode.

In terms of the tone of the episode, it might seem out of place, but I find it entirely appropriate for the series. The question of whether a black man can be the big shot in a casino seems, I would argue, connects to Far Beyond the Stars. Sisko gets to be the guy who has all eyes on him. It highlights progress. I'm far less concerned if it fits with Gene's vision.

On the other hand, the conversation is more relevant now than when the episode aired. I've seen too many people complain about casting that does match historical reality, usually to counter the appearance of non-white actors in historical settings. As much as I appreciate historical accuracy, imposing exclusion against current minorities in simulations of history for the sake of accuracy is horrid. For instance, should the kids who play slaves in high school role playing exercises be all black? It happens. On the other hand, can the past be colorblind? This is also atrocious. Something is missed with all the blue eyed, blond haired versions of Jesus. What you do about race and ethnicity in representations of the past always seems awkward, but is necessary.
 
Always fun to rewatch this one! I agree, many plot holes could be found, but as you say it's stylish and irresistibly entertaining. Visitor's good at playing the sultry tease in the slinky cocktail gowns - the strapless red one for the 3rd time. The action is so well timed--the underworld actors, the sets, costumes, music, gangster lingo- it all works. I probably missed some in-jokes by not being familiar with “Oceans Eleven.”

Interestingly, I think this episode aired before the George Clooney remake of OCEAN’S ELEVEN, which saw a resurgence in the heist genre! It was never quite my thing, but I still enjoyed this one regardless.

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Oh, sorry, I’ve no idea why I made that assumption. I guess there often seems to be more guys on here than gals. I should have twigged by your username alone! My apologies :D
 
Great review. For some reason, this episode's title keeps reminding me of an exchange from Friends, Chandler is training for job interviews with Pheobe as the interviewer because he keeps ruining them by making jokes. So she says:" Chandler Bing, that's an unusual name" and he responds: "You should meet my uncle Badda..."

:whistle:

Moving on...

The episode is enjoyable but as you said it is pure fluff and requires that you turn your brain off as it doesn't make a lot of sense. Sisko's remark is justified... TODAY but four hundred years from now it won't make a lot of sense just as four hundred years ago most of my ancestors were serfs. Yet if I were to participate in a medieval recreation I'd probably be someone from the upper class like a knight or a king... Anyway, the final song is a less than subtle advertisement for the rest of the season. "Don't leave now because... the best is yet to come..."...

enough said...
 
Yet if I were to participate in a medieval recreation I'd probably be someone from the upper class like a knight or a king...
I'd say that's your right, but there will be people who will freak out should someone of African descent play a European king or knight.
 
I'd say that's your right, but there will be people who will freak out should someone of African descent play a European king or knight.

I wouldn't. I've seen Romeo and Juliet as two girls and thought it was very well played. So well that after a while it seemed natural.

Plus we've seen Guinan as a socialite in 19th century America, didn't we?
 
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I think it's also a matter of loyalty. Sisko has great loyalty for his crew. As proof, notice how directly after he got promoted, everyone in the senior staff that is Starfleet got a promotion, too.

(Not fully sure about O'Brien, because his rank insignia has been a mess for his entire tenure in the franchise. But his pips DID change from the hollow one to the new one we saw him with.)
 
“INTER ARMA ENIM SILENT LEGES”

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Forget all that Latin, we all know this should be called “THE BASHIR ULTIMATUM”...

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Or maybe “THE SLOAN IDENTITY”?

It took a full year for the writers to follow up the events of “Inquisition”, but, I have to say, the results are impressive. In many ways, “Inquisition” was the prelude to this, the payoff—an engaging and well-plotted political thriller which dares to tackle some weighty and controversial themes. This is the kind of material I wish we’d gotten more of in the past half season instead of so much tepid Ezri filler.

If “Inter Arma...” has a flaw it’s simply a tendency to be overly convoluted. But I love the fact it assumes a certain intelligence on the part of the audience, including a knowledge of the show’s continuity and an ability to keep up with the numerous reversals in the final couple of acts. Truly, there are plots within plots here, and a number of staggering twists that reward careful viewing. Yet it does fall into the trap of telling rather than showing, and the climax relies upon talk, talk, and more talk. That’s not necessarily a problem, however, with a script this well written. It also benefits from having the ever reliable David Livingston at the helm, and his directing is characteristically masterful. The reuse of the VOYAGER sets is also highly effective and certainly beats yet another reuse of the Defiant sets.

Along with some superb writing and directing, the performances are uniformly strong. Alexander Siddig is excellent throughout (and looks fantastic in the INSURRECTION-style dress uniform!), and William Sadler is simply a delight as the duplicitous and enigmatic Sloan. Their interplay has genuine spark, and leads to some fascinating philosophical and moral discourse between not only Bashir and Sloan but Bashir and Admiral Ross, who most decidedly gets his hands dirty here. Barry Jenner isn’t the strongest actor to have ever graced the series, but he does a decent job here, as does Adrienne Barbeau as the recast Senator Cretak. Barbeau’s Cretak is far more nuanced and sympathetic than Megan Cole’s unapologetic and smug portrayal, which makes her ultimate fate far more affecting—although the two portrayals are such light years apart it’s hard to reconcile them as the same character. Ditto Praetor Neral, whose recasting again makes him seem like a completely different character.

Of course, we also have frequent Trek guest star John Fleck who absolutely aces it as the rather loathsome Koval. Fleck also played a Romulan back in TNG’s “The Mind’s Eye” and I initially thought they were maybe the same character because they frankly seem identical, but Koval is indeed a different character. I must say I did feel sorry for the guy when he was having to stand still and act rigid as a supposed hologram of Koval—he was, understandably, unable to keep from blinking and looked extremely uncomfortable as he tried to stand deathly still.

As already noted, this is an episode with labyrinthian twists and turns. It’s easy to relate to Bashir’s plight as he realises he doesn’t know who to trust, and the revelation that Admiral Ross has been compromised by Section 31 is genuinely surprising given what an unusually trustworthy Admiral he seemed to be! The climatic scene in the Romulan Senate, which seals poor Cretak’s fate and suggests that Section 31 isn’t even real but a fabrication of a disturbed man’s mind is riveting, if convoluted. I actually genuinely wondered if Koval’s revelations were true, but, of course, it transpires that Section 31 was very much real (and something that would be readily exploited, for better or worse, by the writers of ENTERPRISE, INTO DARKNESS and DISCOVERY). It does stretch credulity that Sloan is such an almost omnipotent-like mastermind that he’s able to accurate predict every aspect of the unfolding drama with unwavering precision. He and Section 31 almost seem magical in their power, knowledge and expertise and are always several steps ahead of everyone else. That actually makes them a little less interesting in my view; I’d love to have got some sense of weakness or oversight about them.

Of course, everything culminates in a nicely staged showdown between Ross and Bashir, the latter of whom is aggrieved that he’s been the victim of a very elaborate chain of deception. The very theme of the episode—that, in war-time the “law falls silent”—is fascinating and provocative. Provocative in that is continues to dismantle Gene Roddenberry’s utopian view of Starfleet and the humanity of the future. How this sits with you will very much depend on your take on “Gene’s vision”.

While I can understand how some view DS9 as cynical, if not out and out sacrilege, its viewpoint is certainly more realistic and true to life. As I grew up and studied sociology and politics I came to realise that even what we consider good, such as the relative prosperity and peace we enjoy in the West, is very often the result of Western countries manipulating, exploiting and even actively harming other countries and economies. It’s sad that the world in which we live is very definitely one of infinite shades of grey, and you can bet your bottom dollar that even the most “righteous” of leaders have undertaken action many would consider morally reprehensible just to further their own country’s interests.

This episode’s message is depressing and controversial, as it flies in the face of decades of Star Trek idealism, but it’s sadly all too realistic. Bashir’s fiercely moralistic take on the Federation’s values reflects the classic Trekkian perspective but is revealed to be rather naive in this episode. It may well be that part of the reason you and I can go to bed and sleep without fearing for our lives is because certain people are often willing to do very ugly and repugnant things in order to keep us safe. I’m not entirely sure I want to see this in Star Trek’s aspirational vision of the future, but, let’s face it, it’s honest, which I think all drama should be.

Overall, this is a winner: an engrossing political thriller, well-plotted and ably brought to life by great performances and taut directing. The message is sobering and it’s maybe just a little convoluted for its own good, so I don’t know if it quite warrants top marks, but it’s nevertheless a stunning episode and one of the strongest of the season. Rating: 9
 
Excellent review. This type of show does challenge the original Trek vision, but it’s a necessary exploration of the dark side. DS9 upholds the individual more than the institution.
Ironic to compare Bashir's holodeck secret agent program, with his experience as a spy being manipulated by Sloan and ultimately duped.
When Bashir asks Ross if the Federation has become a 24th century Roman Empire, with a Caesar who can do no wrong, it reminded me so much of Trumpism…and Sloan’s speech about the value of Section 31 reminded me of Colonel Jessup on the stand in A Few Good Men.

Enjoyed Adrienne Barbeau as a more likable Cretak.
 
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Great review and I enjoyed the episode, in spite of its obvious flaws. Sloan's plan is far too much of a house of cards to succeed. It's relies on Bashir doing EXACTLY what Sloan expected him to do and then Senator Cretak doing exactly what Sloan expected her to do, including committing treason! You'd have to be crazy to concoct a plan this fragile and you have to be incredibly lucky for it to succeed assuming you're crazy enough to attempt it in the first place. But if you can get past that and I can, the episode is quite diverting.
 
If you believe what the novelverse would have you believe about S31, it's all too easy to believe something like this could happen. Ross gets significantly more play as well, and I think in the end I can sympathize with him as a man who tried to do what he thought was the best...but the best involved making deals with the devil. He's not the only one either.

For better or worse, it does beg the question of how much the Federation ultimately owes its existence (at least in its current form) to S31.

The idea that the comforts we enjoy are due to terrible actions committed allegedly for our benefit is certainly the kind of thing to keep a person up at night, and as Vash noted, I love the contrast between Bashir's fantasy world of spycraft and the hard realities that he faces here.
 
Wonderful review of a great episode.

I have to say, I agree with the producers' decision to swap airing of this and the previous, because I always felt this episode is part of the 'best is yet to come'. The story, the dialogue, the plot, the acting... it all came together beautifully.

Regarding Sloan's ability to predict so many people... keep in mind, Koval was an informant for Starfleet, too. It is much easier for Sloan and his plan... and frankly, absolutely necessary...to involve those on the other side. He dealt with Bashir and he pegged him really good. He clearly worked with Ross. Honestly, the only real wild card is Cretak and whether she would actually help Bashir or not. But given that he had Ross and Koval in his pocket, both of whom have worked very closely with her, Sloan can probably deduce what she would do.

Think of it like this. Garak was completely on the money with the Romulans with what he did to Vreenak. Garak knows people, and he can predict the broad strokes with what seems like no effort. Sloan is just more specific with the people. It's really just a matter of understanding the nature of people and knowing a few details. The rest will fall into place.

Speaking of Garak, I would love to have seen a scene where Bashir and Garak talk about the pros and cons of Section 31.

Sloan's analysis of Bashir was great... the Federation does need men like him. Men of principle and conscience. The sad reality, though, is you need men like Sloan when the principles fail.

This is a fantastic final directing of DS9 for David Livingston... his 17th episode, more DS9 than anyone. Though a couple people came close.

This episode also proves that Ronald D. Moore is probably the most consistantly good writer of the franchise. And it's not even his last masterpiece for DS9...

I agree with the 9 rating. Only reason it doesn't get a 10 is, as you said, there was a little more talk than show.
 
Seriously Cretak had to be a fool to risk execution, imprisonment or at the very least the destruction of her career based on the word of Bashir, a foreigner (as far as she is concerned) that she barely knows and that could have an agenda of his own. I don't buy that for a second. This story is like a house of cards built during a storm. It has zero chances of succeeding. But as I said I didn't let this obvious flaw get in the way of my enjoyment.
 
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I'm afraid Garak and Bashir talking about the pros and cons of Section 31 would not be that interesting. It would be a rehash of Sloan and Bashir's conversation, with Garak giving the "you're naive, the ends justify the means" bit while Bashir gives the "standing by our principles makes us stronger" bit.

Of course Garak understands the Romulans well. He was stationed there for an unspecified but lengthy time, and besides his mission he kept his eyes open. Few people in the Federation or Cardassia would be in a better position to predict Romulans' moves.
 
Very true about his Romulus station.

Given how Garak can alter the theme of 'The Boy Who Cried Wolf', I still maintain that would have been an interesting conversation. For all we know, he might hate the idea that Section 31 is secret. He might prefer them to be autonomous but out in the open... they would certainly inspire fear. And fear is a very useful tool.
 
Bashir’s fiercely moralistic take on the Federation’s values reflects the classic Trekkian perspective but is revealed to be rather naive in this episode.

It's been a while since I last saw the episode, but I don't remember having that impression at all.

For better or worse, it does beg the question of how much the Federation ultimately owes its existence (at least in its current form) to S31.

Much of it, Section 31 would certainly have us believe. I don't buy their party line.
 
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