That's not a reason. Abrams told the story he wanted.
What is your favorite incarnation of "Klingons?"
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This is a "lazy rehash"? Its the coolest and most unique look for the Klingons ever.
And of course it addressed the ENT augment virus. That's why they wear helmets, it's for the "in the know" viewer to wonder if they're all ridged underneath or not.
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After all, it's the same people who keep saying Alex Kurtzman is fired. And every time they do, he gets a contract extension and they announce a new Trek series!
I believe they made some efforts to address the "expressionless" aspect of the DSC Klingon makeup in the second season.
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And he portrayed the Klingons he wanted.
Yes. Lazy. Abrams did show ridges on their heads (once unmasked).
This is a "lazy rehash"? Its the coolest and most unique look for the Klingons ever.
And of course it addressed the ENT augment virus. That's why they wear helmets, it's for the "in the know" viewer to wonder if they're all ridged underneath or not.
Don't believe everything you hear on Youtube
One single Klingon, two if you include non-canon deleted scenes. That means all of them are ridged? Of course not.
Judging from your comments, not lazy would be an exact copy of Klingons of old?
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And one of the better designs until DSC showed up. Though, TUC still is the best.
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Indeed. The design actually leaves a lot open to interpretation. They look like an armed force that could do some serious damage. Makes me sad that Abrams didn't explore the possible war Marcus was certain was coming. Mean more Klingons which I would have welcomed. I know...I was just as shocked as you are.
I think the TNG Klingons aren't just the best but are now the iconic look for them and to try and change them would be like trying to make the Trill look like they first did on TNG again. Sometimes you just got to accept that some aliens need to always look mostly the same but with minor changes here and there. Also to create differences you got more leeway in clothing and tech and even cultural changes. For example if they wanted to make the Ferengi no longer greedy on Discovery in the future that would be fine. But the Ferengi should still basically look like a Ferengi. I was thinking of some of the aliens whose looks I think are kind of locked into. I got Vulcans,Romuland, Klingons,Andorians Tellerites, Orions, Bajorians, Betazoid, Cardassians, Ferengi, Trill, Borg, Bolians, Vorta, Jrm Haddar, Talaxians , Denoboliums. Everyone else you can basically do whatever and let the head canon solve any issues like say a Breen now has horns or something.
Exact?
I can head canon the Klingons with zero issues, and even easier than the Trill from TNG to DS9. I can look at the DSC Klingons and no those are Klingons, without difficulty. Which, again, is more than TMP did coming from TOS.
I think it can be changed regardless. Some will be OK with it; other's will not.
The TNG look is, in my opinion, one of the lesser ones and the fact that it is iconic doesn't mean it should not be changed, especially if I can look at it and go "Yup, that's a Klingon."
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My favorite iteration of the Klingons?
"The Final Reflection".
"The Final Reflection".
This is basically how I see it. I always thought the later movies through Enterprise incarnations of Klingons were just refinements of what we saw in TMP. Each later edition just refined that original basic design. You could tell, more or less, that they were the same species.
STID is where more substantial changes were made. But the Klingon design was in the same basic family. I feel like they still used the basic design we saw in TMP but just went in a different direction from what was done with TSFS on.
I don't care for the Giger-Klingon look in Discovery. The showrunners certainly have a right to do what they want (just as I have the right to complain about it
). First of all it made the Klingons largely expressionless as it appeared they had trouble with all the prosthetics, and it even affected their speech. They all talked like they just had their wisdom teeth out and were wearing gauze. Also, they looked like a totally different species to me. They did change things up a bit in season 2 and they were a little more familiar. They seemed to have a mix of more 'traditional' Klingons....though I wish they had thrown in a smooth headed Klingon here and there, even in the background, just to acknowledge the Augment virus. I think "Affliction/Divergence" did make it clear it was a condition that didn't affect all Klingons, so not all Klingons would have a human-like appearance. And obviously, at some point after the 5YM period the condition was reversed since we see Kor/Koloth/Kang in DS9 as 'traditional' Klingons.
My vote goes to the TMP Klingons, specifically the Klingons from "Star Trek: The Motion Picture". They were IMO the concept of the Klingon race, perfected. They could easily be seen as shrewd, cunning, and calculating predators, but also had an obvious wild, animalistic feel about them. Their ships never looked better, the race was never portrayed better (sometimes, less is more) and they came across as someone who you definitely do not want to mess with.
That's a lot of extrapolation from a brief scene with like four lines of dialog mostly consisting of single words.
Might be time for this again
You can see certain trends.
The TOS Klingon are unified by facial hair. The make up other wise is all over the map. From no make up to heavy greasepaint.
The TMP make up is heavier and TNG returns to that with nose pieces, teeth and wilder hair The ridges are more complex that what is seen in the films of the same era;
The Bennett movies have a cleaner look with smoother ridges and no nose prosthetics. Teeth seem to the actors' own The facial hair looks well manicured and classy for the most part. By TUC they're down right elegant.
The Abrams version follows the lead of the Bennett films with a clean look look for the ridges. It's main departure is the lack of hair.
The Kurtzman ( Fuller?)version follow suit with the lack of hair. But the ridges look more from the Bennett era. The nose piece takes the seam where the appliance fits on the actor's nose in the Berman era and makes that into a second set of nostrils. The full face prosthetic is limiting on most actors. So that was a mistake.
So how should Abrams have addressed it? By showing some Klingons with smooth foreheads and some with ridges?
I think anything beyond that would have interrupted the flow of the story.
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I actually think that's sort of the strength of the TNG look. If 2 characters walk into a room and you got a extra in the background that is a Klingon it helps I think if the audience can say instantly that"Hey that guy is a Klingon." At the same time I do want to see some evolution on the culture. I would love to see in the future, maybe even in Picard time if the hatred between Romulans and Klingons started to end. We started to see more Klingon and Romulan hybrids as they start to having sex and falling in love with each other. Plus what if Democracy started to takeover yet you still had resistance from Klingons who believed in the old ways.
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