What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Paul755]

Star Trek was hurt by Serialization in the long run.

I actually agree with this. Just because it worked for DS9 (and Enterprise S3-S4) doesnt mean it was gonna work for other Trek shows.

in fact, I think being over serialized hurts Discovery big time. At least in S1-2.

 

[fireproof78]

As with a lot of things in my experience there needs to be a balanced. Too much serialization is going to make it feel more difficult for casual viewers to get in to. Too episodic and people feel like nothing matters in the long run.

I think Discovery has been hit and miss but I am not looking forward to the supposedly more episodic nature of SNW. That will be an interesting test.

 

[Oddish]

I like Tilly for the same reason why I like Barclay: because they remind us that not everyone in the future has their proverbial s*** together.

 

[plynch]

That is a good point. I found Barclay annoying too, though.

I liked when T'Pol didn't have her s***t together, in a non-annoying way (to me).

 

[Oddish]

I found Barclay annoying too, though.

People often do find ASD people (which is what I think Barclay is) annoying and hard to deal with. That's why they don't really want us around.

Yes, he can be a bit grating sometimes. But I see myself in him.

 

[Paul755]

As with a lot of things in my experience there needs to be a balanced. Too much serialization is going to make it feel more difficult for casual viewers to get in to. Too episodic and people feel like nothing matters in the long run.

I think Discovery has been hit and miss but I am not looking forward to the supposedly more episodic nature of SNW. That will be an interesting test.

Part of the problem is the short seasons. It worked better with DS9 and ENT because they could have more than 1 episode “off” where they were doing something that had little or nothing to do with the main plot. Like in S7 of DS9 with Bashir fixing the woman who was genetically enhanced or the numerous “finding and exploring Ezri” episodes. And on ENT Archer and the guy who invented transporters or Archer and the Orion Slave girls in S4.

That is a good point. I found Barclay annoying too, though.

I liked when T'Pol didn't have her s***t together, in a non-annoying way (to me).

yeah, not a big Barclay guy either. He was fine for one or two episodes but he really got on my nerves the more they shoehorned him into Voyager.

 

[fireproof78]

Part of the problem is the short seasons. It worked better with DS9 and ENT because they could have more than 1 episode “off” where they were doing something that had little or nothing to do with the main plot.

Some times. Some times it was the most inconsequential plot line and I'd rather focus on the main plot.

 

[Oddish]

And Ezri deserved better than to be stuffed into a season that was already dealing with Dominion war, the Prophets-wraiths conflict, and other matters. They should have either given Terry Ferrell what she wanted or retired Dax altogether.

 

[nedski]

Controversial ?
Discovery's parallel universe ....
The fact that every time they crash with their shuttle or ship on a new planet, when they come out, there's plenty of oxygen all the time and that the aliens they encounter speak most of the time English
Probably the British Empire got there first before the Star Trek crew
No need to inject "translating microbes" into their system like on Farscape lol

 

[Paul755]

And Ezri deserved better than to be stuffed into a season that was already dealing with Dominion war, the Prophets-wraiths conflict, and other matters. They should have either given Terry Ferrell what she wanted or retired Dax altogether.

keeping Farrell/Jadzia would have been the best choice. But absent that, just promote Kassidy or Nog to series regular.

 

[oldtrekkie]

Controversial ?
Discovery's parallel universe ....
The fact that every time they crash with their shuttle or ship on a new planet, when they come out, there's plenty of oxygen all the time and that the aliens they encounter speak most of the time English
Probably the British Empire got there first before the Star Trek crew
No need to inject "translating microbes" into their system like on Farscape lol

I've got to watch Farscape! I keep telling myself that but I haven't gotten around to it yet.

 

[fireproof78]

I've got to watch Farscape! I keep telling myself that but I haven't gotten around to it yet.

It's an excellent show. I can't recommend it enough. Even with some really goofy episodes it is a very fun show and some excellent design work.

 

[Farscape One]

FARSCAPE is the closest thing to a perfect series that I have ever seen. It took a lot of chances, and damn near all of them worked beautifully. The sets, the writing, the characters, the stories... brilliant, excellent show. A perfect storm of design, acting, and writing that is pure magic. There's no other way to say it. There will never be another show like it again.

Put it this way... STAR TREK is what got me into scifi, and it will always be my first love.

But FARSCAPE is my favorite series of all. Hence my username. (Which I use on other forums, as well.)

 

[fireproof78]

I would expect that given the username.

While Farscape is one of my favorites it definitely has its ups and downs in the series. The first season is uneven at times, and there's a lot of odd characters. That said, the creature design is a lot of fun and works super well even when the stories do not. An excellent show, top shelf science fiction but not without its downs.

 

[Farscape One]

The oddness of those characters is precisely why they work. Completely unique. They felt truly alien, which was the point.

And Scorpius... possibly THE best villain ever because he had one thing very few villains have.

Patience.

 

[fireproof78]

The oddness of those characters is precisely why they work. Completely unique. They felt truly alien, which was the point.

And Scorpius... possibly THE best villain ever because he had one thing very few villains have.

Patience.

Eh, not all characters. I'm not referring to the mains either, though that can pop up.

Scorpious is pretty interesting as a villain.

Overall, it is an excellent show. Just not perfect.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Lorca was a good captain.

Now was it ever explained how he got into our universe?

 

[oldtrekkie]

Lorca was a good captain.

Now was it ever explained how he got into our universe?

Yes, I believe it was. He was switched with the other Lorca with the transporters of the Buran, the same way Kirk and team were... later actually. He then apparently got the Buran to self-destruct, probably because the others saw that he wasn't the real Lorca, and managed to get assigned to the Discovery, one of two ships that could get him back to his universe.

 

[Maurice]

(The reason I bring up the "heavy" is it pisses me off to no end that heavy=comical in movieland. Like Jenny Anydots, the Gumby cat in the Cats movie. She isn't that baffoonish in the poem/show. Sorry, I digress.)

Ye old jolly fat person stereotype. It's been around forever.

 

[nedski]

FARSCAPE is the closest thing to a perfect series that I have ever seen. It took a lot of chances, and damn near all of them worked beautifully. The sets, the writing, the characters, the stories... brilliant, excellent show. A perfect storm of design, acting, and writing that is pure magic. There's no other way to say it. There will never be another show like it again.

Put it this way... STAR TREK is what got me into scifi, and it will always be my first love.

But FARSCAPE is my favorite series of all. Hence my username. (Which I use on other forums, as well.)

FARSCAPE is great, but I believe Star Trek is much more complex and sophisticated....
But that show has its own cool aliens