Could Burham maybe learned of the history of the Federation when she said in the future for a year?
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She made a point that she never looked up her little brother until the Ni'Var mission, and that included video footage from Admiral Picard's logs.
900 years of history is a lot, I'd guess she'd look over the broad strokes but I think a lot of our Trek characters would be lost to history.
Except O'Brien, he's the most important man in the Federation.
900 years of history is a lot, I'd guess she'd look over the broad strokes but I think a lot of our Trek characters would be lost to history.
Except O'Brien, he's the most important man in the Federation.
I think it's important to bear in mind that they didn't really have the resources to learn about the details of history between the 2250s and the 3190s until after they reached Federation Headquarters. Until then, the political instability and systematic poverty of the outer rim of explored space likely prevented them from learning anything except the broad strokes of history.
And possibly those were painted with such a thick propaganda brush that they actually obfuscated what had really happened.
After all, there was no Starfleet to set the record straight, and nobody else would... Instead, everybody was stepping in with their own definitions of who the good guys were (usually, it would be "Me! Me!"). And that would necessarily involve omitting and perverting. Burnham would quickly see through that, which is different from seeing the truth beneath, and would just make her distrust all history until further notice.
Survival of detailed records on Starfleet personnel would be unlikely: nobody would go through the trouble of altering all of those in detail to support their interpretation of history, not when simply erasing would be so much easier.
Timo Saloniemi
After all, there was no Starfleet to set the record straight, and nobody else would... Instead, everybody was stepping in with their own definitions of who the good guys were (usually, it would be "Me! Me!"). And that would necessarily involve omitting and perverting. Burnham would quickly see through that, which is different from seeing the truth beneath, and would just make her distrust all history until further notice.
Survival of detailed records on Starfleet personnel would be unlikely: nobody would go through the trouble of altering all of those in detail to support their interpretation of history, not when simply erasing would be so much easier.
Timo Saloniemi
"Wonderlands" is a good read. Noncanon? Sure, but in that more nebulous novel role of "it can be canon until the television scripts contradict it," just like all the other Discovery books.
Una McCormack certainly peppers in references to past Treks for Burnham to uncover, but it's primarily focused on its own original plot (thankfully).
Una McCormack certainly peppers in references to past Treks for Burnham to uncover, but it's primarily focused on its own original plot (thankfully).
The only one I remember is
when she's going through a Starfleet shipwreck and finds a Christopher Pike Medal of Valor.
Could have sworn there was some more! I'll have to go look again, haha.
Sometime during the year 3189, is my wild ‘stab in the dark’ guess…
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I rather think they didn't. Our heroes relying on crash courses and user-friendliness may be the main reason for the humiliating failure to repel boarding in "Su'Kal"... Somebody actually familiar with the capabilities and limitations of personal transporters would have been able to stop Osyyra's attack easily enough.
Timo Saloniemi
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At no point have they appeared properly trained in 32nd century Starfleet stuff, just quick crash courses. I imagine they will be by the next season, though
I gather Burnham has a massive head start: not only has she spent an extra year in the future, she spent that with a partner who would have been willing to teach her all the dirty tricks necessary for survival.
Vance in turn would have had every reason to hold back on such things even after refitting the ancient vessel for hero use. For all we know the training he allowed the heroes to get had backdoors built in, with deliberate falsehoods taught so that Vance could take back total control whenever he needed to, and the heroes would just go "The override! Where is the override?!" in utter panic.
Timo Saloniemi
Vance in turn would have had every reason to hold back on such things even after refitting the ancient vessel for hero use. For all we know the training he allowed the heroes to get had backdoors built in, with deliberate falsehoods taught so that Vance could take back total control whenever he needed to, and the heroes would just go "The override! Where is the override?!" in utter panic.
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There's explicitly a 3-week gap between "Die Trying" and "Scavengers" during which Discovery is refitted to 32nd-century specs and the crew is trained in the new technologies.
And of course, Burnham spends a whole year in the 3180s between episodes 1 & 2 of the season, so there was plenty of time for her to learn.
And of course, Burnham spends a whole year in the 3180s between episodes 1 & 2 of the season, so there was plenty of time for her to learn.
You'd think by that time you'd be able to "upload" new information to ones brain quickly. ..
One crit is that the future isn't really that much more futuristic than the 24th century.
One crit is that the future isn't really that much more futuristic than the 24th century.
Which is understandable, because the 23rd century and the 24th century weren't more futuristic than, say, the minus 10th century (when Vulcans were already founding monasteries in alien star systems). Why would things move forward between DSC S1/2 and DSC S3 when they haven't moved forward for the thousands of years before those?
Inventing new stuff is apparently so hard that nobody has managed to do that for the past millennia. At best, the Federation has managed to fine-tune good old warp so that it's marginally faster than in 1,000 BC, and perhaps donated knowledge to the masses in a way that wasn't common in the past millennia. But everything that can be discovered apparently already has been; the rest is just squabbling over who has it and who doesn't.
Timo Saloniemi
Inventing new stuff is apparently so hard that nobody has managed to do that for the past millennia. At best, the Federation has managed to fine-tune good old warp so that it's marginally faster than in 1,000 BC, and perhaps donated knowledge to the masses in a way that wasn't common in the past millennia. But everything that can be discovered apparently already has been; the rest is just squabbling over who has it and who doesn't.
Timo Saloniemi
Yepp, that was during a Burnham monologue at the beginning of "Scavengers", when Linus had some fun with the personal transporter. ST-humans learn very quickly, but for me, that wasn't something new...
Disco was being refitted with 32nd century technology for 3 weeks after arriving at Federation HQ.
Presumably, most of the up-training and technology familiarization would have occurred during those 3 weeks... although to be fair, the crew was 'surprised' at seeing programmable matter being integrated into the consoles - even though I would have thought HQ would have likely informed them of that and they would have seen and used programmable matter themselves in during those 3 weeks... so the 'surprise' doesn't quite track here - but Trek writers have a tendency at keeping the crews in the dark about these things for 'dramatic effect' (which is utterly stupid if you ask me).
Willa did mention that they kept the interfaces similar in order to give the crew time to adjust to how they work.
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Probably not. It's implied that Burnham ended up very distant to the Federation, possibly somewhere deep in the Beta Quadrant when she arrived in 3188. Given that Burnham didn't know that Earth had seceded from the Federation, access to detailed information about Federation history beyond the last 100 years was probably non-existent, at least were burnham was.
