What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Oddish]

Someone once suggested (as a joke) to someone from Enterprise's writing team (I don't remember whom) that the last words of the series should be "Computer End Program" and what do you know? That's exactly what they were!

So they were.

I still maintain that Riker was using historically inaccurate footage, which is why no one got a different haircut, grew a beard, got promoted, altered uniform style, or changed assignments in six years.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

So they were.

I still maintain that Riker was using historically inaccurate footage, which is why no one got a different haircut, grew a beard, got promoted, altered uniform style, or changed assignments in six years.

Wasn't that a plot point too in one of the ENT novels?

 

[Oddish]

Wasn't that a plot point too in one of the ENT novels?

That Trip's death was faked? Yes, I think so. And that makes it even better.

 

[BoTWoT]

OK, how's this - 'The City On The Edge Of Forever' isn't as good as it's made out to be. Fight me.

I see your City On The Edge Of Forever, and raise you an Amok Time. City is at least middle of the pack good, just not the top 10 episodes of all time many make it out to be. Amok Time though...I just can't even with this one, and the rumors of Spocks "wife" coming back in SNW makes me shake my head with a ton of questions.

 

[fireproof78]

Amok Time is definitely better than City on the Edge of Forever.

But, I'm also annoyed at the rumor of T'Pring making an appearance.

 

[BoTWoT]

Amok Time is definitely better than City on the Edge of Forever.

But, I'm also annoyed at the rumor of T'Pring making an appearance.

In my ranking series I'm planning on doing whole episodes just tackling each one of these, in an alternate format, so I can look the viewers in the eyes when I say neither is all that great. Amok coming soon! Other than lore, that doesn't make any real sense, it has nothing holding it up. City has some great moments, and a whole lot of garbage, but I'd say it's worlds better than Amok. But, to each their own!

 

[Kor]

That would never have been as bad as the whole of DS9 being some kind of dream

I think that ending would have presented the entire Star Trek universe as a dream, not just DS9.

Kor

 

[fireproof78]

In my ranking series I'm planning on doing whole episodes just tackling each one of these, in an alternate format, so I can look the viewers in the eyes when I say neither is all that great. Amok coming soon! Other than lore, that doesn't make any real sense, it has nothing holding it up. City has some great moments, and a whole lot of garbage, but I'd say it's worlds better than Amok. But, to each their own!

I mean, it is extremely informative of the character of Spock specifically, and that he isn't an emotionless robot as so commonly portrayed or insisted upon, even by early Spock himself. That he has emotions, but that isn't just unique to him by being half-human, but that Vulcans themselves have intense emotions. It sets up a number of world aspects to an alien race that we had largely limited knowledge of.

City is a very character driven piece, which I am normally all for, but it lacks the punch because it feels like an artificial conflict of "she must die." Kind of similar to Avengers: Endgame, where Dr. Strange is like "well, there is really only version where things go happily so that's the one we do!" I feel for Kirk but that's about it. The rest falls a little short.

 

[Vger23]

OK, how's this - 'The City On The Edge Of Forever' isn't as good as it's made out to be. Fight me.

I see your City On The Edge Of Forever, and raise you an Amok Time. City is at least middle of the pack good, just not the top 10 episodes of all time many make it out to be. Amok Time though...I just can't even with this one, and the rumors of Spocks "wife" coming back in SNW makes me shake my head with a ton of questions.

I think COTEOF is actually quite brilliant, but because time travel and time paradox stories are much more common and even cliché nowadays, it has lost some of it's relative brilliance. For it's time, it was a 5-star sci-fi story.

I agree that Amok Time isn't anything overly special. It's good because it dives into Spock as a character and explores Vulcans as a culture for the first time...but it's not a "great" episode. I think it's "good"...but not a classic.

 

[Kor]

I always wondered if it would have been possible for them to whisk Edith away with them to their future world.

Kor

 

[Coops]

An episode which deserves its legendary status would be, for me, Balance Of Terror. No matter how many times I watch it I feel tense all the way through it. I am such a loser

 

[fireproof78]

I always wondered if it would have been possible for them to whisk Edith away with them to their future world.

Kor

Same here. Certainly whale lady did.

An episode which deserves its legendary status would be, for me, Balance Of Terror. No matter how many times I watch it I feel tense all the way through it. I am such a loser

It's a good episode.

 

[Oddish]

I always wondered if it would have been possible for them to whisk Edith away with them to their future world.

Kor

As long as she wasn't in her own timeline anymore. And as long as her death wasn't a critical event.

It's actually pretty rather convenient that Gillian Taylor presumably never married or had kids in the original timeline... taking her out of it didn't prevent, say, McCoy from ever being born.

 

[oldtrekkie]

I always wondered if it would have been possible for them to whisk Edith away with them to their future world.

Kor

Why not? They did it with Gillian with no measurable effects.

 

[oldtrekkie]

As long as she wasn't in her own timeline anymore. And as long as her death wasn't a critical event.

It's actually pretty rather convenient that Gillian Taylor presumably never married or had kids in the original timeline... taking her out of it didn't prevent, say, McCoy from ever being born.

Precisely! Removing Gillian was much more likely to have bad long-term effects than Edith given that the latter was going to die anyway. Gillian on the other hand could have lived in the 20th-21st centuries for five decades and affect a great deal of things.

 

[cooleddie74]

I suppose Spock's tricorder memory bank research showed that she had to remain in the 1930s and die to prevent the contamination or another form of it. Just yanking her out of 1930 and bringing her to the 23rd century might have done even more harm than Dr. McCoy saving her life in the traffic accident.

 

[Farscape One]

An episode which deserves its legendary status would be, for me, Balance Of Terror. No matter how many times I watch it I feel tense all the way through it. I am such a loser

One of my absolute favorites of TOS.

 

[oldtrekkie]

I suppose Spock's tricorder memory bank research showed that she had to remain in the 1930s and die to prevent the contamination or another form of it. Just yanking her out of 1930 and bringing her to the 23rd century might have done even more harm than Dr. McCoy saving her life in the traffic accident.

I honestly don't see how.

When Gillian forced her way to the ship, nobody had even the slightest doubt about the possible implications of removing someone like her from her time, and yet she was much more likely to have an impact than Edith who was going to die in a matter of minutes and not having any more effect whatsoever.

 

[cooleddie74]

It's the timestream. Who knows.

 

[plynch]

BoT is a bit dull. I used to fall asleep as a kid. And "the enemy commanders who respect each other" trope, I guess I've seen too much.

I really esteem City and Amok, for they are about matters of the heart and friendship more than many eps, and they carry it off well, I think. Emoting strongly seems rare in Trek until DSC, which veered too far imho. But real love, then sacrifice and real pain as Kirk holds back McCoy: pretty real. And all the character interaction and real sadness in Spock, then a face full of joy! Usually when happy they just sort of chuckle. And at deaths they are resigned. So I like the realness of these two eps.

The only I think I would truly rank higher would be Doomsday or Devil in the Dark.

And remember kids: In matters of taste there can be no disputing.