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My DS9 Rewatch Odyssey

I hate these episodes. The exploitive nature of the client/practitioner cliché makes my blood boil. It is one of the first things that gets drilled in from ethics class, and not just the whole nonmaleficence/do no harm principle. The relationship is naturally one that has a power dynamic and recognizing people as vulnerable should be first thing on a practioner's mind. I like Bashir but this episode pains me because it is so basic of a lesson that shouldn't even be part of the story.
 
Great review! The first time I watched this episode I wondered if they would go the "Flowers For Algernon" way, that is Serena going back to her old self at the end of the episode but I bet against it. The DS9 team for all its value doesn't have the chops to handle such a level of drama. Instead, we got this little melodrama only (barely) saved from mediocrity by the Jack-Pack which I find quite entertaining. Just as in the Quickening, they didn't dare to make Bashir a total loser so they made him make a vaccine... Or Jake doing something heroic in that (forgettable) episode about courage on the front line. Just as I said they don't have what it takes to handle such drama. Bashir's behavior is of course completely unprofessional and he's of course saved from the consequences of his crime (let's call a spade a spade) by the fact that no one lodges a complaint against him and you can't have a main character put before a board of inquiry, can you?
 
Bashir's behavior is of course completely unprofessional and he's of course saved from the consequences of his crime (let's call a spade a spade) by the fact that no one lodges a complaint against him and you can't have a main character put before a board of inquiry, can you?

I would love for characters to be put in front of a board of inquiry. Why isn't that a show?

You mean something like JAG?;)

That is exactly what I mean.

I doesn't exactly happen in real life. Perhaps things have changed in the medical profession in the last ten years, but for the most part, no one does anything about relationships with patients or co-workers unless something happens under anesthesia. While Bashir's relationship with Serena is unethical, it doesn't seem to cross the bar by which someone would take action. He doesn't manipulate her. He doesn't push her into specific decisions. He certainly doesn't force her into an unwanted medical procedure. He is neither her primary physician nor her psychiatrist. The bad behaviors within the relationship don't have much to do with being a manipulative physician and everything to do with being bad at relationships.

Yesteryday, I was reading up on Tammi Terrell, a fabulous singer who did many duets with Marvign Gaye in the late sixties. She died young after suffering from a brain tumor. Music critics argue that Gaye's What's Going On? album was partially a response to her death. When she died, she was engaged to a physician who was treating her. I feel no need to condemn him.
 
I doesn't exactly happen in real life. Perhaps things have changed in the medical profession in the last ten years, but for the most part, no one does anything about relationships with patients or co-workers unless something happens under anesthesia. While Bashir's relationship with Serena is unethical, it doesn't seem to cross the bar by which someone would take action. He doesn't manipulate her. He doesn't push her into specific decisions. He certainly doesn't force her into an unwanted medical procedure. He is neither her primary physician nor her psychiatrist. The bad behaviors within the relationship don't have much to do with being a manipulative physician and everything to do with being bad at relationships.
I mean, I regularly read the complaints for the ethics board for my state licensing for complaints, but I'm not medical but mental health so it might look different. :shrug:
 
Did not want to rewatch “Chrysalis” but was glad to be reminded of the singing, like a Bach fugue. Re gender politics, interesting that Salie praised the episode as "a great modeling of appropriate male behavior," noting that "the writers made it very clear that, although Dr. Bashir had the hots for Sarina, she was not required to reciprocate his affection, just because a) he wanted her, and b) she owed him."

Fun to see Kira wearing Lola Crystalle’s nightclub gown - I guess Vic was keeping it for her!
 
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I mean, I regularly read the complaints for the ethics board for my state licensing for complaints, but I'm not medical but mental health so it might look different. :shrug:
Perhaps things have changed. I know that my father, a physicians, had a colleague who would have made Bashir blush, marrying a coworker, then fathering children with three other women, two patients, before the couple divorced. (My father moved to a new hospital, so I don't know what happened thereafter).

I also can say that in academia, people look a way despite having a higher sensitivity to ethical violations. When I did my doctorate, one of the professors was married to a woman who had been his student. She ended up getting a posting at the same university--a different department, but given that the department was in the top ten in the US, a step up. I would consider it suspicious given that he specializes in a field that is notoriously difficult to research. No one cared. Indeed, the faculty held the professor in high regard. I heard a few agreeing that they would keep throwing money at him to keep him from leaving. He ended up being the dean of graduate studies. (This says nothing about the professor who was caught in some state of embrace of a graduate student at a party.)
 
Perhaps things have changed. I know that my father, a physicians, had a colleague who would have made Bashir blush, marrying a coworker, then fathering children with three other women, two patients, before the couple divorced. (My father moved to a new hospital, so I don't know what happened thereafter).

I also can say that in academia, people look a way despite having a higher sensitivity to ethical violations. When I did my doctorate, one of the professors was married to a woman who had been his student. She ended up getting a posting at the same university--a different department, but given that the department was in the top ten in the US, a step up. I would consider it suspicious given that he specializes in a field that is notoriously difficult to research. No one cared. Indeed, the faculty held the professor in high regard. I heard a few agreeing that they would keep throwing money at him to keep him from leaving. He ended up being the dean of graduate studies. (This says nothing about the professor who was caught in some state of embrace of a graduate student at a party.)
It probably hasn't changed and I am far more worried about such things than it seems a lot of other professionals, at least from other people's stories.
 
Perhaps things have changed. I know that my father, a physicians, had a colleague who would have made Bashir blush, marrying a coworker, then fathering children with three other women, two patients, before the couple divorced. (My father moved to a new hospital, so I don't know what happened thereafter).

I also can say that in academia, people look a way despite having a higher sensitivity to ethical violations. When I did my doctorate, one of the professors was married to a woman who had been his student. She ended up getting a posting at the same university--a different department, but given that the department was in the top ten in the US, a step up. I would consider it suspicious given that he specializes in a field that is notoriously difficult to research. No one cared. Indeed, the faculty held the professor in high regard. I heard a few agreeing that they would keep throwing money at him to keep him from leaving. He ended up being the dean of graduate studies. (This says nothing about the professor who was caught in some state of embrace of a graduate student at a party.)

I'm not saying this never happens anymore, but I don't think it's common and I think the powers that be are less likely to look the other way if they find out. (And given that DS9 is a small station, they'd be certain to find out.)

This episode makes me cringe. The only parts that save it are Faith Salie, the singing in rounds, and Kira. I'd give it a 3 for that because it's not enough to rescue the ethical problems with the show.

Putting one of the other doctors in charge of Sarina might be enough for an ordinary patient, but Sarina was partway through an experimental treatment of Bashir's invention that no other doctor could help with. Indeed, when Sarina went back to "her" doctor Bashir was still there advising, in charge in all but name.

There should be a sequel episode in which Bashir is hauled up before the Ethics Board of Starfleet Medical, and loses his license to practice medicine. He can be a good research doctor without ever treating individuals.

Also I agree with the point above that Ezri should have been telling Bashir to lay off. Perhaps she should have had an internal strugle and then decided to report it to Sisko or direct to the Ethics Board. That would have made a stronger episode.
 
“TREACHERY, FAITH AND THE GREAT RIVER”

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“What’s that?...You want mouth-to-mouth resuscitation? I don’t think so, pal.”

“Treachery, Faith and the Great River” boasts one of my favourite titles of the entire series and, fortunately, the episode itself does not disappoint. It’s a return to the A/B plot structure the series has often done so well, but which has become a rarity over the past season. I’m happy to say that both storylines are thoroughly enjoyable.

From the moment he first appeared in the fourth season’s “To the Death”, Jeffrey Combs’ Weyoun immediately became one of the show’s most consistently enjoyable characters and this is the closest he gets to carrying an entire episode. Although we haven’t actually seen much of Odo and Weyoun together, the brief moments they’ve shared over the years have been compelling, complex and beautifully performed by both Combs and the ever dependable Rene Auberjonois. While on opposing sides, Weyoun nevertheless views Odo with godlike awe, even as he’s plotting against him (and, apparently, in “To the Death”, infecting him with a deadly virus!). The episode’s hook, that Weyoun is defecting from the Dominion, is a masterstroke, and along the way things are complicated as we learn that this Weyoun is actually a “defective” renegade clone. I’m delighted the writers finally decided to capitalise on the possibilities offered by the Vorta’s use of cloning. I’d actually have loved it if each Vorta had dozens of clones operating at any given time—and, let’s say, each time we encountered Weyoun, we were never quite sure if it was a clone we’d dealt with before.

Once the twists are out the way, plot is actually fairly simple: Odo has to transport this Weyoun back to the station while being pursued by the Jem’Hadar. What makes the episode come alive is the wonderful interplay between the two, as well as some fascinating insight into how the Vorta came to be. Auberjonois and Combs are at the top of their game and a surprisingly touching bond forms between the two—so much so, that when Weyoun 6 ultimately sacrifices himself to save Odo, it’s a genuinely heart-rending moment. The Jem’Hadar chase sequences add an element of excitement and are notable for two reasons. First of all, this is one of the only instances I can think of where the writers remember that space is three-dimensional during a battle scene. So, how do you get away from a pursuing ship? Fly above it! The sequence where they hide the runabout in comet fragments is very Star Wars-esque and features some beautiful special effects. Aside from the occasional nebula, Trek never added much visual interest to space scenes, which made this all the more novel and welcome.

The B-plot featuring Nog and O’Brien, is a delight from beginning to end. It’s great to see that Nog hasn’t entirely lost his “lobes for business” and, despite being a Starfleet officer, hasn’t completely lost his cultural identity. The concept of “the Great Material Continuum” is an inspired touch, lending Ferengi culture a surprisingly Taoist philosophy which adds some colour and depth to an extremely monolithic society. This plot reminds me quite a bit of the Nog/Jake B-plot in season one’s “Progress”. Once again, I’m not entirely sure the writers have factored replicators into the equation—or, indeed, holosuites (surely Lorenzo could have recreated the desks of famous Starfleet captains in the holosuite?). But it’s a joy to watch, nevertheless.

Ultimately, the lasting contribution this episode makes to series lore is the revelation that the Changelings are suffering from a mysterious disease—a storyline that will have great significance later in the season. This immediately creates a great deal of conflict for Odo and sets the stage for some difficult times to come. “Treachery, Faith and the Great River” is everything I’d want to DS9 to be at this stage. It’s a self-contained story that nevertheless advances the show’s overarching narrative and delivers some wonderful character moments. Jeffrey Combs definitely steals the show, managing to create an entirely new, and surprisingly sympathetic, character in Weyoun 6. Credit also goes to Bradley Thompson and David Weddle for turning in one of their strongest scripts, which is beautifully brought to life, not just by the impressive performances, but by solid directing and impressive music and visual effects. Rating: 9
 
Another great review of an outstanding episode. You can see why this was Jeffrey Combs’ favorite, playing 2 contrasting types of Weyoun. The subplot of Nog and the Great Material Continuum was fun--like his trade schemes in earlier episodes. Clever parallel between Nog having faith in the Great River of commerce and Weyoun having faith in Odo as a god-- and finally receiving his blessing. Neat how Great River also refers to the Rio Grande.

Would have liked to see Odo and Kira playing springball.
 
Regarding "CHRYSALIS"... great review. This one never really bothered me as much as it seems to bother others, but it might be because I didn't find it a strong episode. Rather middling, actually... except for the Jack Pack doing various things. I give it a 5 only because of them.


"TREACHERY, FAITH AND THE GREAT RIVER"... excellent review for an excellent episode. Definitely a highlight of the season for me.

You bring up great points about the three-dimensions of space and how it was used so well here.

In a lot of ways, it's actually hard to tell which one is the A story, because both are so magnificently done. I dare say this is Thompson and Weddle's BEST script of the show.

Bonus points to Steve Posey, who did his first of 4 episodes of DS9 here. (They are the only ones in the franchise he did to date.) No wonder they brought him back for others this season.

I can't really add much than what you already did... except I give it a 10.
 
Great review! And I liked this episode a lot but maybe not as much as you did. I don't like the Odo character all that much. I mean he's competently played and very entertaining but as a person, he generally stinks. Like when Weyoun tells him how the Vorta were created. He chooses to see it as an act of kindness and I find that appalling. It's obvious that the Vorta were not "improved" as a reward but only to turn them into usable servants; If they were created as a reward, you'd think that they would be granted some enjoyable traits, like tastebuds of example, instead, the very "kind" founders made them deficient on purpose to remind them constantly to whom they owe this "largesse". We already knew that the founders were assholes so that is not the point, the point that Odo deliberately (or sincerely which is worse) sees them as kind in spite of the evidence to the contrary.

I never understood the fuss they make in fiction about the last thing that someone sees. If there is one thing that really doesn't matter, it's that. Think of that. The last thing you see, you'll never remember. In fact, it's the only thing you won't remember not even for a minute. Anything else you'll remember at least for a time but not that. Same thing about someone's last words. As a physician friend of mine likes to say when people die, it's for a reason and so it's very likely that when you're about to die your brain will be in a terrible condition. Your last words a likely to be the product of delusion and disjointed thoughts. Plus it's also a legend that people know when they're dying, most of them don't. So even if they had something prepared they wouldn't know when to say it. Anyway, it's just a thing that we constantly see in fiction and that I find a bit... irksome.

Take for example Neil Armstrong, he had something prepared for his first step on the moon, for weeks likely, and yet he managed to screw it up. :D

And he wasn't dying at the time!!!
 
I never understood the fuss they make in fiction about the last thing that someone sees. If there is one thing that really doesn't matter, it's that. Think of that. The last thing you see, you'll never remember. In fact, it's the only thing you won't remember not even for a minute. Anything else you'll remember at least for a time but not that. Same thing about someone's last words. As a physician friend of mine likes to say when people die, it's for a reason and so it's very likely that when you're about to die your brain will be in a terrible condition. Your last words a likely to be the product of delusion and disjointed thoughts. Plus it's also a legend that people know when they're dying, most of them don't. So even if they had something prepared they wouldn't know when to say it. Anyway, it's just a thing that we constantly see in fiction and that I find a bit... irksome.
That's an interesting question, but I can see it both ways. Obviously, there are some religious for which one's last words and thoughts are considered to be spirtually important. Although no meaningful memory will be formed, a dying patience might be meaningfully using memory in those last moments. Would there be an advantage to seeing a loved one, as opposed to a nurse or doctor? According to neuroscience, the former is cogntiively easy, the latter cognitively straining. The more familiar people or settings are, the more that memory is being used, the less perception is being used. It would be less effort if the last view were of something familiar. On the other hand, if it is something new and unfamiliar, the brain must exert itself; time slows down as it processes everything novel. It could be a kind of push back against one's inevitable end.

Either way, the brain is working, regardless of its condition, although in the latter case, it is working harder. Being able to choose may just be in itself something meaningful. Weyoun wanting to see Odo (or a Founder) may have reduced the stress he felt as he slipped away. Was Kirk's death better than Jadzia's because he chose to evaluate how much fun he had in his last moments, or Jadzia's, because she chose to relive how she and Worf planned to have children?

Perhaps I should put it differently: in your last moments, would you want to watch a familiar episode of Star Trek or an all-new episode you never saw before? (There's no guarantee of it being a good episode, just one you are familiar with in the former case.)
 
That's an interesting question, but I can see it both ways. Obviously, there are some religious for which one's last words and thoughts are considered to be spirtually important. Although no meaningful memory will be formed, a dying patience might be meaningfully using memory in those last moments. Would there be an advantage to seeing a loved one, as opposed to a nurse or doctor? According to neuroscience, the former is cogntiively easy, the latter cognitively straining. The more familiar people or settings are, the more that memory is being used, the less perception is being used. It would be less effort if the last view were of something familiar. On the other hand, if it is something new and unfamiliar, the brain must exert itself; time slows down as it processes everything novel. It could be a kind of push back against one's inevitable end.

Either way, the brain is working, regardless of its condition, although in the latter case, it is working harder. Being able to choose may just be in itself something meaningful. Weyoun wanting to see Odo (or a Founder) may have reduced the stress he felt as he slipped away. Was Kirk's death better than Jadzia's because he chose to evaluate how much fun he had in his last moments, or Jadzia's, because she chose to relive how she and Worf planned to have children?

Perhaps I should put it differently: in your last moments, would you want to watch a familiar episode of Star Trek or an all-new episode you never saw before? (There's no guarantee of it being a good episode, just one you are familiar with in the former case.)

Personally, I don't think it matters either way since you're seconds away from oblivion. It's like when O'Brien finishes his drawing in the sand right before the "cleansing" ray erases it. It doesn't matter.


BTW, it's funny that in the entire remaining series after "Hard Time" we don't see O'Brien make one of these drawings, not even once! You'd think that the only thing enjoyable, the only thing artistic, he did for twenty years, he wouldn't have forgotten so fast. That's one thing I don't like about this series. It's how fast they sweep things like that under the rug.
 
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