Roger Korby did this a century earlier. And Mudd's Andriods were also working on it. Graves was a putz.
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Roger Korby did this a century earlier. And Mudd's Andriods were also working on it. Graves was a putz.
A lot of android technology from the 23rd century was either classified or conveniently ignored by the 24th. The Mudd androids alone were more sophisticated than most encountered a century later. 
A lot of android technology from the 23rd century was either classified or conveniently ignored by the 24th.
It apparently went in the same box as certain propulsion technology as well...presumably being studied by Top Men.
Its unlikely Mudd would have shared his technique with UFP or other species.
As for Roger Korby... its a whole Android Civilization that he discovered... 0 mention of them in TNG though
Its possible they had little or no interest in joining the Federation... which would probably exclude any sharing of information (although the mere existence of advanced androids would probably sparkle more research and development, and with dozens of species working together, they'd likely crack that nut long before the mid 24th century), and did Korby ever get a chance to discuss how he transferred his consciousness into an Android body?
TNG conveniently ignored a LOT of stuff it seems... the writers should have probably just set it 20-odd years after TOS (same passage of time between it and TNG... because I always thought the 24th century set the bar too low).
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Mudd didn't create those androids, though, and he didn't really have control of them, either.
Which begs the question, who made them - or Mudd could have stumbled on an Android manufacturing facility (like that ship he was seen in Disco Short Trek's).
Point stands though, that Androids were nothing new for over 100 years prior to TNG... so, for the writers to NOT have any UFP made androids (as advanced or, MORE advanced than Data) by then is just silly.
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Obviously it was Noonian Soong the First.
They’re the only family in the whole fucking galaxy who make androids (PIC I’m looking at you!).
Obviously it was Noonian Soong the First.
They’re the only family in the whole fucking galaxy who make androids (PIC I’m looking at you!).
Not really since TOS showed us an 'ancient android civilization' which was discovered by Roger Korby.
'Ancient' would certainly imply they predate Noonian Soong the First and UFP at large by a HUGE amount of time... although it wouldn't be the first time Trek was callously using certain words, only to mean something smaller.
Such as in the case of Trek characters talking about 'in the galaxy', whereas they actually meant UFP and possibly surrounding areas (maybe 1 quadrant of the galaxy... possibly 2 - aka, Alpha and Beta... but certainly not the whole galaxy).
Well, I meant a distant relative of the Soongs we know.
And it was a joke, so...
Eh... Soong is a Human... 'ancient' would imply the android civilization predates Earth's development of Warp drive by a LONG time (thousand years at least)... so that wouldn't really work (unless we know what 'ancient' means to SF officers in context of the 23rd century).
Could the UFP be considered 'ancient' by the 32nd century?
At any rate, I think the writers of Trek shows need to familiarize themselves with previous canon series and then work off that to devise a better extrapolation of UFP development... as is, they're barely moving the needle on a micro scale which is utterly ridiculous for the passage of time (and taking into account just what UFP is).
Maybe Federation scientists are bad at reverse engineering this stuff. There was also the V'ger Ilia probe in TMP. The scans of that 'mechanism' should have given Federation cybernetics /artificial life a huge leap forward.
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Dozens to 150 alien species working together sharing science, technology, knowledge and resources freely being incapable at reverse engineering stuff?
Highly unlikely.
For 1 species I could accept this being a problem (at the start)... but not an organization like the Federation.
The writers are just bad at moving the needle in a manner that would be befitting for the universe in question.
Hence they ignore stuff that came before, because their imaginations are ridiculously limited it seems when it comes to thinking in larger scopes.
Humor. It is a difficult concept.Well, I meant a distant relative of the Soongs we know.
And it was a joke, so...
Also, humor in Star Trek is even more difficult if how Data learned humor is any indication
Yeah, I never understood why Starfleet didn't just build a huge medical complex on the other side of the planet.
Yeah, they needed DNA for the physical pattern, but as DS9 taught us, consciousnesses are stored at the quantum level.
Except both of those were using more advanced alien tech, and we saw Korby's transfer didn't really work properly.
Heck, historically this board has its share of posters who sound like they don't even get the whole point of Star Trek. Sadly closed minds and bigotry aren't as rare in the fandom as we'd like.
I'll never understand the idea that because I'm a fan of Star Trek I automatically must be X. People enjoy things like rocket ships and ray guns, and that can be as far as they fully engage with the material. Now, I would want all humans, regardless of fan status, to be not bigots, but that's an on going evolution, dare I say.
And I think more than that is that evolution isn't a part of Star Trek. Possible controversial opinion, but I sometimes think that Star Trek is used as a bit of a crutch of "Oh, someday we'll get there" or "Wouldn't it be nice if..." instead of saying "Hey, we let's celebrate differences and not assume what one another do." I see Star Trek less as a future goal and more what can I do now. Like, let's not act like because humanity hasn't hit Star Trek future style attitudes that means we're absolved of responsibility.
Just a weird impression I've had of late.
And I think more than that is that evolution isn't a part of Star Trek. Possible controversial opinion, but I sometimes think that Star Trek is used as a bit of a crutch of "Oh, someday we'll get there" or "Wouldn't it be nice if..." instead of saying "Hey, we let's celebrate differences and not assume what one another do." I see Star Trek less as a future goal and more what can I do now. Like, let's not act like because humanity hasn't hit Star Trek future style attitudes that means we're absolved of responsibility.
Just a weird impression I've had of late.
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