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Spoilers Loki season one discussion thread

What I imagine is, the founder of the TVA is Kang or some Kang-like being that wants to control all available timelines, not just one. The "prime" timeline is the most vital because that is where this leader originates so it needs to be protected. Timelines or individual Variants that threaten the prime timeline, or the "friendly" variant timelines are the ones that need pruning.

So your criteria (according to my imagination) would be the other timelines stay out of conflict with the prime, but are available to be brought into the "time empire." Seems like something Kang would do.

I assume this is all variants branching off from Earth 199999 (the slightly unwieldy designation for the MCU). I don't think Earth 616 or the many, many other numbered Earths is involved or effected by any of this. I am certain that Marvel is not trying to say that the main comics timeline was ever "pruned" and therefore no longer existing, since they are still publishing comics set within it.
 
None of which most people would recognise. I've been reading Marvel Comics for 42 years and I didn't know who Alioth was or what Qeng was.
I've been reading Marvel and DC comics for 56 years. My earliest memories are from Wonderwoman vs Mouseman, reading in the back of the car during a long drive to somewhere I didn't care about. The early 60's issues mostly I got from trading with my friends who had older siblings. I haven't heard of Alioth or Qeng either because I take a break from titles when I get bored of them. My history means squat to the MCU. That they draw from little known characters from comics history to fashion their stories is to their credit.
 
So.......I guess I was kinda right? Even though his name wasnt mentioned, him describing himself as a 31st century scientist who discovers about time and dimensions.... That's Nathaniel Richards, who becomes Kang The Conqueror. Hell, he even said one of his names was The Conqueror.
 
Yay, season 2 confirmed!

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Kang!!!!

Well, no, not really.....

This seems to be Nathaniel. In the comics he becomes Kang. Here, it seems to be implied that one of his variants, or many of them, is/are Kang. Considering the actor is cast as Kang for Ant-Man 3, and the entire multiverse just going nuts, Loki seems to have been a total setup for the next MCU phase.

Some more thoughts.....
Sylvie seems to have been left devastated. I'm really hoping she will be part of season 2, they can't just drop her story now.
Mobius doesn't remember Loki? No one does?
 
I liked it. It does seem like this is Kang, or some "variant" of him who later becomes Kang. I was hoping that following on the idea of the Lokis being "survivors" would mean that s/he "who remains" at the end of Time would be some version of Loki, the ultimate survivor. But this was ok too.

It sets up an interesting Season 2 and probably something in the upcoming films. Hopefully Sylvie is back. Not sure why Loki is not recognized. Something in the timeline changed. Which is also promising as an idea. I had thought that they might use this as a way of bringing in the X-Men, for instance. Suddenly there they are and everyone remembers them as having always been there, though this Loki or whoever, does not remember them.

Loki can be merged back in the MCU Timeline and does not die. And in the same way, other characters and groups can be merged into it. Lots of possibilities.
 
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Well that all turned out more or less as I expected. The puppet master is of course Kang (or rather one of many variants there-of) as many have speculated, the order of the sacred timeline has been sundered and the multiverse has been unleashed (again?) setting phase 4 and beyond into motion.
A commanding performance by Jonathan Majors, so I look forwards to seeing what he does with Kang proper In Ant-Man & the Wasp 3: Quantumboogaloo. Not sure which will come first though since both that movie and Loki season 2 seem set for a 2023 release, plus of course 'Multiverse of Madness' should be out next year before either of them, so it remains to be seen if the movies will had off the plot from here and season 2 will be about something else entierly.
 
Bit of a dull pf a dull episode. Probably could have been half in length and still got the message through.
I was hoping for some big reveal at the end with the formation of the x men universe or something but we got nothing
 
I loved most of this show.....the world building, the characters, but all these Disney + shows have wound up being teasers for the next movies.......which I know is by design, but give us a little payoff guys. Please.
 
Even when you could see it coming from a mile away, it was just so satisfying the way it was done. :biggrin: We have our new 'Thanos' at last, the multiverse is born again, and Phase IV really kicks into high gear. 'What If' starts to explore that multiverse in a month. Can't wait!
 
I have a distinct feeling that some people are going to hate this finale based on the discussions of the last few days. As someone who kept swinging back and forth about the logical conclusion, I think I might be a bit more welcoming to what was ultimately revealed than perhaps some others.

It was Kang all along.

What, no cheery jingle? Right, different show.

Loki and Sylvie reached inside the citadel at the end of time and they found some hard truths. The audience has to face them, too. The show was always about Loki and what that means for not just him but for all of his variants. However, despite the sudden shift towards Kang, I would argue that the crux of the show still remains about Loki because the seismic shift of all of time occurred because of the actions of one variant, while leaving another having to deal with the immediate consequences of those actions. I fully expect that dynamic will be the set-up for season two, thus maintaining the focus on Loki.

As for Kang himself, I was initially surprised how goofy and lackadaisical he appeared and I expected him to drop the façade at any moment to reveal his true nature. Instead, unsurprisingly, it turned he was just a variant and we have yet to meet the real future big bad. I know some people will hate the exposition dump that occurred in the middle of the episode, which caused the momentum that lead into the finale to crash to a startling halt, but I found Jonathan Majors' performance was just engaging and off-putting enough to make that heavy dialogue flow.

I was a little disappointed (but also unsurprised) that Loki and Sylvie ended up fighting each other, but it also felt right because, as noted, one could not trust and the other could not be trusted. I was also not surprised (but delighted!) that Sylvie used Loki's obvious affection for her against him so that the kiss we all knew that was coming was utilized as a distraction to maneuver him back to the TVA. Whether or not she actually returns that affection is yet to be seen and I'm certain that will be explored in the second season.

The one thing that did surprise me (but shouldn't have) is that Mobius and B-15 no longer remember Loki, the first of many consequences of Sylvie's killing of the Kang variant. It seems that Mobius may have become the de facto leader of this new version of the TVA considering Ravonna fled to parts unknown. I'm pretty certain at this point that she was just in the dark as everyone else about Kang (but had her own suspicions for longer), so I'm curious to see what she is planning to do next season. I'm also curious to know what files Miss Minutes gave her instead of the files Ravonna requested.

I love how we got the Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes cliffhanger with the statues of the Time Keepers replaced with the statue of Kang the Conqueror (somewhat fitting considering I just started reading the original novel for the first time last night).

Even though it wasn't directly stated, it's clear now this is what causes The Multiverse of Madness, as well as the rumored scenario of No Way Home. I will also take this as a confirmation to my previous musing that What If...? is a direct result of the season finale as hinted by Uatu's "vast new realities" line. I know all of this probably isn't a surprise to anyone, but most of us expected this would've been kicked off by the dissolution of the TVA and not because of the killing of a Kang variant, thus causing the rise (or return?) of Kang the Conqueror.

One thing that wasn't confirmed but still heavily hinted at: The citadel at the end of time definitely looks like it exists in the Quantum Realm. Undoubtedly that'll be confirmed in Quantumania.
 
Forgot to mention before: that was a very subtle bit of art design having everything inside the citadel look like a kintsugi pot. Combined with the sacred timeline being visualised as an unbroken circle (before it started branching, anyway) really helped sell the idea that this has all happened before; the whole system being torn down, broken apart, unleashing chaos only for it to be reformed and started all over again.
 
Are we sure that Mobius and B15 no longer remember Loki due to a timeline change or did Sylvie actually send Loki into an alternate timeline? She had just gained the device and timelines were branching at that point and possibly even the other universes were beginning to make contact. Perhaps Loki is in a previously blocked off universe where Kang the Conquerer exists as the known being in charge.
 
Are we sure that Mobius and B15 no longer remember Loki due to a timeline change or did Sylvie actually send Loki into an alternate timeline? She had just gained the device and timelines were branching at that point and possibly even the other universes were beginning to make contact. Perhaps Loki is in a previously blocked off universe where Kang the Conquerer exists as the known being in charge.
This is an interesting idea. That would mean there are now Variant TVA's and all these new timeline branches have their own.
 
Overall an enjoyable finale and this series has been a blast, though, I don't know, there was something lacking from the finale. Mostly I found the meeting scene between Loki, Sylvie and Kang went on a bit too long. Not much of an issue, on first viewing it's engaging stuff, but I have a feeling that scene isn't going to hold up too well on rewatches. Also, not enough attention spent on on TVA, specifically Renslayer and whatever the hell's going on with her and the connection Miss Minutes has with everything. I guess that's meant to be set up for things which will be covered in season 2, but I still think there was more they could have done with them here in this episode.

Regardless this show still meets the high standard already established by WandaVision and Falcon and the Winter Soldier, and I look forward to the next MCU series on Disney+.
 
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