It's a decent one. Creepy and eerie at moments. Plus my late cousin - David Huddleston - played the holographic train conductor!
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It's a decent one. Creepy and eerie at moments. Plus my late cousin - David Huddleston - played the holographic train conductor!
Same here. I never found it very convincing in terms of execution.
You definitely have a point there. He was polite and charming towards her otherwise, so I am inclined to agree. But still. I just did not expect it lol.
Times and vocabulary change. If I was writing Lincoln today I would not change it. It is appropriate for his time.
Note to William Shatner and George Takei: The original Star Trek TV series ended in 1969, the original films ended in 1991. It's been 30 years.
We don't care about who did what to who back then. Unless you killed each others' families, please get over it. Move on.
We don't care about who did what to who back then. Unless you killed each others' families, please get over it. Move on.
Takei makes a bigger deal of it than Shatner. I love George but there are times he keeps the rivalry in the public eye a lot more than Shatner does.
The Shatner/Takei fued is as real as WWE. From the tabloid newspaper tales of cast infighting in the 90's until today, it's all been a show for the cameras. From getting cast members interview money back then to clickmoney today.
Well, Data took over the ship and impersonated the captain. Leniency appears built in.
Not to mention tortured Geordi.
The larger point is that people taking over the ship is pretty much never carries consequences.
You can make anything sound implausible when you explain it like that. Bok did a thorough investigation into Picard's past and found a convenient situation to exploit. If the fake kid situation didn't exist he would have picked something else.
I can look passed it because it's television...
... but one thing I consider to be a mark against the third season of DSC is how easily the Discovery crew adjust to the 32nd Century. I think back to how someone from 1090 AD would do in 2021, then I think of how the crew of Discovery from 2258 does in 3189 and that's not how it would be, given everything else. With Burnham, it's different. She had an entire year to adjust. But the rest of the crew didn't.
Like I said, I can suspend my disbelief -- something that's surprisingly rare around here given that we're all supposedly science-fiction fans -- but still. That's a little bit of a pock mark.
If they didn't want to go through the crew's adjustment period, if they thought that would be too boring, another one-year time-jump would've accomplished what the writers were going for, and people who don't have an axe to grind with the show wouldn't have thought anything of it.
... but one thing I consider to be a mark against the third season of DSC is how easily the Discovery crew adjust to the 32nd Century. I think back to how someone from 1090 AD would do in 2021, then I think of how the crew of Discovery from 2258 does in 3189 and that's not how it would be, given everything else. With Burnham, it's different. She had an entire year to adjust. But the rest of the crew didn't.
Like I said, I can suspend my disbelief -- something that's surprisingly rare around here given that we're all supposedly science-fiction fans -- but still. That's a little bit of a pock mark.
If they didn't want to go through the crew's adjustment period, if they thought that would be too boring, another one-year time-jump would've accomplished what the writers were going for, and people who don't have an axe to grind with the show wouldn't have thought anything of it.
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Remember, though, there had been a sizable setback, thanks to the Burn. If a person from the Roman Empire at its height (150 AD or so) wound up in the Renissance (1300 years later), they might handle the change surprisingly smoothly.
I think the bigger issue is how little the difference is between the two, technologically speaking. You'd expect that kind of difference in technology over 50 years, not a millenium.
Especially when considering that technological progress is exponential.
So, it's relatively easy to adjust because tech isn't that different and they're not confronted with too many geopolitical entities. In true DSC fashion, you've got the "good guys" and the "bad guys", not geopolitical entites balancing their interests with their reputation (and alliances) within the other entities.
To be generous, I think the Discovery writers were stuck between two issues.
On one hand, they chose the far future because it got them ahead of anything in established Trek canon (even the Temporal shenanigans) and gave them a blank canvas to do whatever they wanted. Also they might have wanted to work in Calypso somehow, although I'm not entirely sure that was a top priority.
On the other hand, they were getting more risk averse after fan backlash regarding the first two seasons, and seemed to want a "back to basics" season. Thus we got familiar races, planets, etc. Actually going into culture shock probably was never in the cards - in large part because that would require making the season (to a large extent) about it. Though frankly it might have been more interesting than the "space marauders" plot lines which made up a plurality of the weeks of the show.
On one hand, they chose the far future because it got them ahead of anything in established Trek canon (even the Temporal shenanigans) and gave them a blank canvas to do whatever they wanted. Also they might have wanted to work in Calypso somehow, although I'm not entirely sure that was a top priority.
On the other hand, they were getting more risk averse after fan backlash regarding the first two seasons, and seemed to want a "back to basics" season. Thus we got familiar races, planets, etc. Actually going into culture shock probably was never in the cards - in large part because that would require making the season (to a large extent) about it. Though frankly it might have been more interesting than the "space marauders" plot lines which made up a plurality of the weeks of the show.
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