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Comcast considering merger with ViacomCBS

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Imagine Trek and Battlestar Galactica being owned by the same company:

https://trekmovie.com/2021/06/23/re...erger-with-viacomcbs-to-create-mega-streamer/

There is no indication currently that there are any planned changes for the Star Trek Universe, with five Star Trek shows continuing to be in production, including two new shows: Star Trek: Prodigy coming this year and Star Trek: Strange New Worlds coming in 2022. But new management can always create changes, as Noah Hawley learned last year when Paramount’s new head of motion pictures halted his Star Trek film shortly before production. And speaking of movies, THR also reports that Paramount Pictures will be adding a content chief to oversee movies for Paramount+, who in theory would also have the power to greenlight a Star Trek movie made exclusively for streaming.
 
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I doubt if the government would approve the same company owning CBS and NBC, not to mention Paramount and Universal.

They'll probably have to discharge some assets (Disney spun off Fox News).
 
They'll probably have to discharge some assets (Disney spun off Fox News).

Murdoch only sold Fox Movie studios to Disney, he kept Fox News and Fox network. So Disney didn't have to deal with the issue of owning 2 Major networks (Fox, ABC).
 
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The rich get richer. If this happens you basically have 4 mega-corps controlling the streaming industry: Disney, Netflix, Amazon, and Comcast.

I don't really include Apple in that mainly because Apple streaming is still kind of insignificant and they are sheltered by everything else that Apple does.
 
The rich get richer. If this happens you basically have 4 mega-corps controlling the streaming industry: Disney, Netflix, Amazon, and Comcast.

I don't really include Apple in that mainly because Apple streaming is still kind of insignificant and they are sheltered by everything else that Apple does.

You forgot about Warner Bros/Discovery.
 
I don't really include Apple in that mainly because Apple streaming is still kind of insignificant and they are sheltered by everything else that Apple does.
One thing on Apple, and to me at least, but they seem to have kind of a cozy relationship with Paramount+; and before that CBS All Access.

Both Paramount+ and CBS All Access are/were featured rather prominently on Apple TV+, and Apple has always offered subscription deals with Paramount+ and CBS All Access, which they don't really do with the other major streaming services. And that may have everything to do with Paramount+'s position or ranking as a streaming service, but just the same...

Of course, I don't imagine Apple has any desire to buy ViacomCBS, because where's the profit in it for them? And the asking price wouldn't be an issue for Apple, but is Star Trek really worth it to them? And on top of everything it would be a very un-Apple thing for them to do.

Anyway, they do seem to be kind of buddy-buddy, and as an Apple fanboy it is kind of neat; plus Paramount+ has a widget for the iPhone. :)

Also, I guess if anyone were to buy ViacomCBS, then Apple would be who I would want to do it.

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I suppose they would also probably totally reset Star Trek in hopes to make it more popular and profitable... but whatever, fine by me. Star Trek: Discovery is basically a reset to me anyway. So just do it again, but for real this time.

There were of course jokes that the bridge on JJ Abrams' Star Trek looked like an Apple store. So you're halfway there already, just reboot everything into the Kelvin timeline. :)
 
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One thing on Apple, and to me at least, but they seem to have kind of a cozy relationship with Paramount+; and before that CBS All Access.

Both Paramount+ and CBS All Access are/were featured rather prominently on Apple TV+, and Apple has always offered subscription deals with Paramount+ and CBS All Access, which they don't really do with the other major streaming services. And that may have everything to do with Paramount+'s position or ranking as a streaming service, but just the same...

Of course, I don't imagine Apple has any desire to buy ViacomCBS, because where's the profit in it for them? And the asking price wouldn't be an issue for Apple, but is Star Trek really worth it to them? And on top of everything it would be a very un-Apple thing for them to do.

Anyway, they do seem to be kind of buddy-buddy, and as an Apple fanboy it is kind of neat; plus Paramount+ has a widget for the iPhone. :)

Also, I guess if anyone were to buy ViacomCBS, then Apple would be who I would want to do it.

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I suppose they would also probably totally reset Star Trek in hopes to make it more popular and profitable... but whatever, fine by me. Star Trek: Discovery is basically a reset to me anyway. So just do it again, but for real this time.

There were of course jokes that the bridge on JJ Abrams' Star Trek looked like an Apple store. So you're halfway there already, just reboot everything into the Kelvin timeline. :)

But the benefit wouldn't solely Star Trek, it would be the exclusive rights to everything ViacomCBS owns.

So it would be Star Trek, everything on Showtime, Nickelodeon, Paramount Pictures, CBS TV, etc. It's the reason Amazon bought MGM.

The problem with Apple TV plus is doesn't have the back log of content almost every other streaming service has. If I get Apple TV Plus, do I get ViacomCBS content included or is that extra?

It doesn't seem like Apple takes the streaming wars seriously if they don't try to obtain a back catalog that the other services have.
 
But the benefit wouldn't solely Star Trek, it would be the exclusive rights to everything ViacomCBS owns.

So it would be Star Trek, everything on Showtime, Nickelodeon, Paramount Pictures, CBS TV, etc. It's the reason Amazon bought MGM.

The problem with Apple TV plus is doesn't have the back log of content almost every other streaming service has. If I get Apple TV Plus, do I get ViacomCBS content included or is that extra?

It doesn't seem like Apple takes the streaming wars seriously if they don't try to obtain a back catalog that the other services have.
Oh yeah, streaming isn't... paramount to Apple at all. They're a hardware company, or at least that's where they make the bulk of their money. Streaming is just a service that they offer to entice one to continue to buy more of their hardware. Or to also monetize the hardware that one already owns.

Also, that has always been the Apple TV+ plan, to slowly build their back catalog with their own properties and shows and not to buy up other people's properties. And they of course have the luxury of the the time and the money to do that. There was no hurry. And if Apple wanted to immediately be a big player in streaming, then I imagine they would have just bought Netflix or Disney from day one and been through with it.

I just pointed out Star Trek because Star Trek, and I guess The Good Fight, are the biggest properties on Paramount+, so that would be Apple's reasons for buying ViacomCBS, to exploit those two. But again of course that would be really weird for Apple to buy ViacomCBS, because I don't know how much they would gain from owning them. They're already the richest company in the history of the world, so does owning ViacomCBS and Star Trek really add anything to that? :)

But yeah, it would just be neat to me if Apple bought them, and if ViacomCBS wants to be bought.

ViacomCBS should probably just stick it out and go it alone. But of course they have their own calculus on what they want to do and what they want to be. And obviously Star Trek is one of the centerpieces of that...
 
Oh yeah, streaming isn't... paramount to Apple at all. They're a hardware company, or at least that's where they make the bulk of their money. Streaming is just a service that they offer to entice one to continue to buy more of their hardware. Or to also monetize the hardware that one already owns.

Also, that has always been the Apple TV+ plan, to slowly build their back catalog with their own properties and shows and not to buy up other people's properties. And they of course have the luxury of the the time and the money to do that. There was no hurry. And if Apple wanted to immediately be a big player in streaming, then I imagine they would have just bought Netflix or Disney from day one and been through with it.

I just pointed out Star Trek because Star Trek, and I guess The Good Fight, are the biggest properties on Paramount+, so that would be Apple's reasons for buying ViacomCBS, to exploit those two. But again of course that would be really weird for Apple to buy ViacomCBS, because I don't know how much they would gain from owning them. They're already the richest company in the history of the world, so does owning ViacomCBS and Star Trek really add anything to that? :)

But yeah, it would just be neat to me if Apple bought them, and if ViacomCBS wants to be bought.

ViacomCBS should probably just stick it out and go it alone. But of course they have their own calculus on what they want to do and what they want to be. And obviously Star Trek is one of the centerpieces of that...

It feels like now that Quibi is gone, Apple TV plus the weakest of the remaining streaming services and is having trouble attracting new customers:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.macworld.co.uk/news/apple-tv-viewers-3800822/?amp

You can argue Apple TV Plus is no hurry, but if you let your competitors get a big head start on you, you could be left in the dust. Amazon is not a streaming company, but buying MGM gives them a leg up on Apple.

If they are not serious about streaming, why should customers choose them over any other streaming service? I am not saying buying ViacomCBS is the best move, but when it comes to streaming you are in the game or you are not.
 
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It feels like now that Quibi is gone, Apple TV plus the weakest of the remaining streaming services and is having trouble attracting new customers:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.macworld.co.uk/news/apple-tv-viewers-3800822/?amp

You can argue Apple TV Plus is no hurry, but if you let your competitors get a big head start on you, you could be left in the dust. Amazon is not a streaming company, but buying MGM gives them a leg up on Apple.

If they are not serious about streaming, why should customers choose them over any other streaming service? I am not saying buying ViacomCBS is the best move, but when it comes to streaming you are in the game or you are not.
I honestly don't think Apple cares that much about streaming. It's just a thing that they do, it's just a service that the company offers, it's not what the company is.

Unlike someone like Netflix, which streaming is what the company is. And Netflix is of course bigger than Apple in streaming. But Apple can of course buy Netflix x-times over, so, y'know, there's that...

Similar to music and Spotify. Spotify is bigger than Apple Music, but Apple can of course buy Spotify x-times over.

Also, I'm not sure if Apple is that concerned about Amazon buying MGM. Now, if Amazon made a phone that everyone bought and that challenged the iPhone, then Apple would obviously care a great deal. But Amazon owning MGM I don't think Apple really cares that much about. Apple could have bought James Bond anytime they wanted but it obviously wasn't that important to them.

Of course, Apple naturally wants quality content on their streaming service, it's the Apple way. But obviously they're just going to make it themselves and not buy other people's stuff. Which again is the Apple way.

I see that a new Foundation teaser was released today and it looks okay to me...

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Anyway, some things they're the innovators on and therefore set the pace. And other things they let others go first, see what works, and then do what it was that works and do it better.

Apple's philosophy has never really been that they have to be the biggest player in any given field. No, they just want to make the most money. :)

Whatever company buys ViacomCBS though, if they even want to put themselves up for sale, it would be interesting to see what they do with Star Trek.

I of course believe they would totally reboot it -- and I really like Star Trek: Discovery, I think it's the best Star Trek series ever. But if anyone bought ViacomCBS I think Star Trek would get a total makeover, because I'd imagine they'd want a nice return on their investment. Whether that reboot would be for the best or not who knows, but it would be really interesting to see.

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And after watching the Foundation teaser again... yeah, it looks pretty good to me.

I liked the first teaser better...

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But this second one is not horrible. :)
 
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I got Apple+ free for one year when I got my latest iphone and have yet to watch anything on it.

I will definitely watch Foundation. I am excited for it and dread it at the same time. The books were fantastic and I hope the series does justice to them.

As to Star Trek I prefer Paramount/CBS/Viacom retain control of it. I like Kurtzman Trek and don’t want a new corporate owner coming in and messing it up like Disney has done to Star Wars.
 
I honestly don't think Apple cares that much about streaming. It's just a thing that they do, it's just a service that the company offers, it's not what the company is.

Unlike someone like Netflix, which streaming is what the company is. And Netflix is of course bigger than Apple in streaming. But Apple can of course buy Netflix x-times over, so, y'know, there's that...

Similar to music and Spotify. Spotify is bigger than Apple Music, but Apple can of course buy Spotify x-times over.

Also, I'm not sure if Apple is that concerned about Amazon buying MGM. Now, if Amazon made a phone that everyone bought and that challenged the iPhone, then Apple would obviously care a great deal. But Amazon owning MGM I don't think Apple really cares that much about. Apple could have bought James Bond anytime they wanted but it obviously wasn't that important to them.

Of course, Apple naturally wants quality content on their streaming service, it's the Apple way. But obviously they're just going to make it themselves and not buy other people's stuff. Which again is the Apple way.

I see that a new Foundation teaser was released today and it looks okay to me...

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Anyway, some things they're the innovators on and therefore set the pace. And other things they let others go first, see what works, and then do what it was that works and do it better.

Apple's philosophy has never really been that they have to be the biggest player in any given field. No, they just want to make the most money. :)

Whatever company buys ViacomCBS though, if they even want to put themselves up for sale, it would be interesting to see what they do with Star Trek.

I of course believe they would totally reboot it -- and I really like Star Trek: Discovery, I think it's the best Star Trek series ever. But if anyone bought ViacomCBS I think Star Trek would get a total makeover, because I'd imagine they'd want a nice return on their investment. Whether that reboot would be for the best or not who knows, but it would be really interesting to see.

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And after watching the Foundation teaser again... yeah, it looks pretty good to me.

I liked the first teaser better...

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But this second one is not horrible. :)

If the goal is make money then it seems like having one of the weakest streaming services around is not a great way to do it, a lot of people think it's just a big money pit:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...1/27/its-time-for-apple-to-kill-apple-tv/amp/

Now you argue that it's their money to burn, but if it's going to be anything but a money pit, they would need to mount a better effort then what they have done so far. Frankly there is only one show that sounds even remotely appealing to me on that service and one show is not enough for me to sign up for a service and I think a lot of people feel the same way.

I think ViacomCBS could be seen as an easy take over target during the streaming wars, not that I am saying it should be taken over, more competition is better than less, but that is not the direction the entertainment market is going.
 
If the goal is make money then it seems like having one of the weakest streaming services around is not a great way to do it, a lot of people think it's just a big money pit:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...1/27/its-time-for-apple-to-kill-apple-tv/amp/

Now you argue that it's their money to burn, but if it's going to be anything but a money pit, they would need to mount a better effort then what they have done so far. Frankly there is only one show that sounds even remotely appealing to me on that service and one show is not enough for me to sign up for a service and I think a lot of people feel the same way.

I think ViacomCBS could be seen as an easy take over target during the streaming wars, not that I am saying it should be taken over, more competition is better than less, but that is not the direction the entertainment market is going.
Okay, this has gotten kind of stupid now... :)

Apple is the most valuable company in the history of the known universe... with a streaming service that is not nearly as popular as the biggest streaming services. Therefore, streaming services is obviously not that huge of a deal to them. Otherwise they would rectify that situation really quickly by buying whatever is available. Because there's really smart people at Apple who know how to make a tremendous amount of money. (And that's largely through insanely huge markups on their hardware.)

Also, they only charge $4.99 a month for Apple TV+. So again, it's obviously not that huge of a deal to them, because next to nothing from Apple is that inexpensive. So it's just a service that they offer. And it's part of my Apple One plan and I don't even think about it's cost, because again it's only $4.99 a month. And I'm on the Premier plan, so it's actually less than $4.99 a month; and so I ultimately don't even notice the cost.

Also, if Apple get a hit show or two out of it, fine. And if not, obviously "oh well." And if streaming was a huge deal to Apple, then Apple being Apple, Apple TV+ would be $19.99 a month or $24.99 a month, or something like that. And they'd be rivaling Amazon in spending. Like Amazon reportedly spending over a half a billion dollars on their Lord of the Rings series, Apple likewise would be spending a similar insane amount of money on some property that they bought the rights to. But obviously they're not doing that because it ain't that important to them.

If they bought ViacomCBS, they'd be the most valuable company in the history of the known universe. And if they didn't buy ViacomCBS, they'd still be the most valuable company in the history of the known universe. So it makes no difference to them, and they obviously have a different business strategy than buying nearly century-old media companies.

Granted, their strategy of creating the content themselves may not work, and if Apple TV+ fails because of that, then they'll obviously just do something else (like make an electric self-driving car or something). :)

No, but buying ViacomCBS won't change anything anyway, because that back catalog is only going to go so far, you still have to constantly create new content. Because that's exactly what ViacomCBS is doing, constantly creating new content. So why buy them? You still have to make new content with what you bought, so save the money on buying them and create your own stuff with the money that you would have spent.

Star Trek is I guess a somewhat valuable IP, but obviously not that valuable to Apple and their overall business strategy, otherwise they would already own it. And I can't imagine much of anything else at ViacomCBS is worth it to them either.

Of course, who knows, Apple may turn around next month or whenever and buy ViacomCBS. :)

It's highly doubtful, but they might.

I remember when Apple bought Beats Electronics back in 2015 for $3 billion dollars and how weird of a thing it was, because what were they going to do with Beats headphones? Obviously they were getting into the music streaming business, and took Beats' streaming service and turned it into Apple Music. Last year I believe Apple Music made Apple $4.1 billion dollars, which was less than 8% of Apple's services revenue; and not their overall revenue, but just their services revenue.

When it comes to the movie and TV streaming business they're obviously taking a somewhat different course of action. Again, they're just going to make the content themselves... which of course is what everyone is doing now. So I imagine they have no desire to buy anyone else.

Or yes, I guess Apple could buy ViacomCBS, and Star Trek along with it, and do like they did with Beats and try and turn it into a moneymaker for them. Is it worth it though? Because you buy Star Trek and then what are you going to do with it? Make new content. What kind of new content though? Something that appeals to the old fans? Or just forget about them and make new stuff for a new audience?

Apple being Apple they would almost unquestionably do the latter. Because they would be buying Star Trek in order to grow their streaming service.

So again, is it worth it? Is Star Trek that valuable of an IP? And if it is, then why didn't Apple buy it when they started Apple TV+?

Ultimately though of course we'll know when streaming becomes important to Apple. Because they'll charge $19.99 a month for it when it becomes important to them. And they'll buy whatever hugely popular IP is available and make insanely expensive shows with it. :)
 
The rich get richer. If this happens you basically have 4 mega-corps controlling the streaming industry: Disney, Netflix, Amazon, and Comcast.

I don't really include Apple in that mainly because Apple streaming is still kind of insignificant and they are sheltered by everything else that Apple does.

The American TV industry used to consist of three broadcast networks. Not really a problem.

I mean, whenever a new streaming service launches the Internet is full of complaints about "having to pay for yet another channel just to see a couple of shows yada yada." So, damned if you do...
 
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