Rules in Starfleet are frequently bent if no flag officers are nearby. Kirk lived much of his career by the maxim "What Starfleet Command doesn't see or read in my log entries won't hurt me or my crew."
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That's ok. Most people give me grief for liking it.
Yeah, a thousand light-years, yet we're supposed to believe that Archer's Enterprise got there in a couple of days...
my point
He was not a rule breaker in the series
somewhat in the flicks
That eventually becomes his rep in the future.
I was trying to make the point that I don't think the characters in the movies are all that similar to how they are in the series. TNG Picard is far more different, granted. One could argue all the others stay pretty similar to how they were in the series, though. TNG
TOS Movie Kirk is very different from TOS Kirk. One could say he's the most like his TOS self in Star Trek V and have a good point but he's pretty much middle age/midlife crisis Kirk by the time he's in his fifties and heading for the age of 60.
I think it's a natural progression for Kirk. We are all a bit different at different points in our life.
At the time of the movies, Kirk is a lot older, and I've noticed that the older people get, the less they give a damn about rules if it's for a good cause. (I've observed this in not just other people, but myself, as well.)
At the time of the movies, Kirk is a lot older, and I've noticed that the older people get, the less they give a damn about rules if it's for a good cause. (I've observed this in not just other people, but myself, as well.)
Starfleet Academy Kirk(circa 2252): Grim, by the book, dedicated to his studies.
TOS Kirk: More freewheeling and prone to bend if not break the rules if the greater good demands he do so.
TOS Movie Kirk: increasingly more cynical and grouchy but still retaining sparks from his thirties and early years as a Captain, ready to listen even if he's reluctant to change his mind about something.
TOS Kirk: More freewheeling and prone to bend if not break the rules if the greater good demands he do so.
TOS Movie Kirk: increasingly more cynical and grouchy but still retaining sparks from his thirties and early years as a Captain, ready to listen even if he's reluctant to change his mind about something.
For me, the episode also falls apart when Picard is so horrible at basic survival techniques that he can't even get a campfire going without help.
Scotty in particular is ill-served by the movies. TOS Scotty is the ultimate professional, cool under pressure and just gets the job done when others are losing their heads. Movie Scotty just gets broader and sillier from TSFS on.
Here's a controversial Star Trek opinion I've developed over the last year or so of rewatching TOS and DS9 on the H&I network: Avery Brooks' line deliveries could get a LOT odder than William Shatner's ever did, particularly when he went big.
Brooks is a good actor. WAY bettter than William Shatner, though? Increasingly debatable. Both are broad. Same with Kate Mulgrew. All three are on roughly the same levels of performance quality.
Regarding Picard not being able to start a fire...
In "BASICS, PART II", the crew had a hard time starting a fire. Janeway said it was likely the composition of what they had on hand. Maybe something like that happened on El-Adrel, but Captain Dathon knew ahead of time and had the proper kindling to make it work quickly.
In "BASICS, PART II", the crew had a hard time starting a fire. Janeway said it was likely the composition of what they had on hand. Maybe something like that happened on El-Adrel, but Captain Dathon knew ahead of time and had the proper kindling to make it work quickly.
Chekov in "Spock's Brain(TOS)" took the shortcut of using his phaser to heat up a rock to a level of glowing heat to provide warmth. Starfleet officers clearly understand how to take shortcuts when it comes to making fires for survival purposes. Whether or not officers like Picard have the tools necessary to start said fire, though, is another matter entirely.
Good point. Picard was beamed off the bridge. He only had his clothes and combadge.
Dathon had some stuff on his outfit, plus two daggers.
Dathon had some stuff on his outfit, plus two daggers.
I find it funny people cite that as an absolute, when it's from the bizarro second pilot where Kirk had a best friend that is never, ever mentioned again, Spock wears yellow and has different makeup, the ship leaves the galaxy, Sulu wears blue and is a physicist not a pilot, McCoy doesn't exist, and Kirk's middle initial is R.
But the "stack of books with legs" somehow still counts as sacred when everything else is glossed over or ignored as early installment weirdness.
Actually that and "Shore Leave(TOS)." Kirk tells McCoy in no uncertain terms that he was grim and that Finnegan preyed on him in part because he was such a grim cadet.
Wasn't the bookish part also mentioned in Court Martial?
Yes, we don't see another hint at Kirk being bookish after that.
His lawyer used books instead of computer records.
Yes, we do. See "Space Seed" [http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/24.htm]:
KHAN: Have you ever read Milton, Captain?
KIRK: Yes. I understand. Lieutenant Marla McGivers. Given a choice of court martial or accompanying them there.
KHAN: (gazing into her eyes) It will be difficult. A struggle at first even to stay alive, to find food.
MARLA: I'll go with him, sir.
KHAN: A superior woman. I will take her. And I've gotten something else I wanted. A world to win, an empire to build.
KIRK: This hearing is closed.
(Khan and McGivers are escorted out.)
SCOTT: It's a shame for a good Scotsman to admit it, but I'm not up on Milton.
KIRK: The statement Lucifer made when he fell into the pit. 'It is better to rule in hell than serve in heaven.'
KIRK: Yes. I understand. Lieutenant Marla McGivers. Given a choice of court martial or accompanying them there.
KHAN: (gazing into her eyes) It will be difficult. A struggle at first even to stay alive, to find food.
MARLA: I'll go with him, sir.
KHAN: A superior woman. I will take her. And I've gotten something else I wanted. A world to win, an empire to build.
KIRK: This hearing is closed.
(Khan and McGivers are escorted out.)
SCOTT: It's a shame for a good Scotsman to admit it, but I'm not up on Milton.
KIRK: The statement Lucifer made when he fell into the pit. 'It is better to rule in hell than serve in heaven.'
TWOK as well...with "A Tale of Two Cities"
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