Spoilers Season 2 Trailers, Previews, and Promos

[Char Kais]

Tried to find it on YouTube. Top result was a video asserting that it looked "predictably bad as expected", with over 100k views in 6 hours. Where do these people come from? I don't get the appeal of such constant negativity.

People dislike NuTrek.

The most-watched Picard season 2 trailer analysis/breakdown video is from "The Critical Drinker", a NuTrek critic, with 126k views.
The second most-watched video is from Nerdrotic, also a NuTrek critic, with 74k views, followed by a video from TrekCulture, a pro-NuTrek YouTube channel with 73k views.


Picard season 2 trailer analysis/breakdown videos views count:
The Critical Drinker 126k (NuTrek critic)
Nerdrotic 74k (NuTrek critic)
TrekCulture 73k
Kertrats Productions 18k
Sci-Finatics 11k
Certifiably Ingame 10k
WDIM 7k
Trek Central 6k
THE BURNETTWORK 6k
Trekyards 3k


Star Trek's social media reach is abysmal compared to other IPs. That NuTrek fans never acknowledge and dismiss that is telling.

Compare that to Loki episode 2 breakdown/analysis videos:
The top video has 1.3 million views.
Place 2: 990k
Place 3: 573K
Place 4: 570k

A recent Tom Hiddleston interview video 2.5 million views.
All these videos have comments and likes/dislikes turned on, unlike the trailer on the Paramount+ channel.

 

[fireproof78]

Tried to find it on YouTube. Top result was a video asserting that it looked "predictably bad as expected", with over 100k views in 6 hours. Where do these people come from? I don't get the appeal of such constant negativity.

Money, that's how. And that's it.

 

[dupersuper]

Utopia must be earned. TNG didn't do a single thing to earn its utopia.

If I may be permitted a yawn...?

 

[fireproof78]

If I may be permitted a yawn...?

No yawning in the utopia.

 

[Char Kais]

That's how they get clicks on their YouTube pages -- going negative.

Money, that's how. And that's it.

That's an easy and convenient answer.
I think the real answer is: People dislike NuTrek.


Why is this not happening to other IPs, like Marvel? The top videos for Marvel content are absolutely uncritical and fanboyish positive. The review/breakdown/analysis videos for Marvel content are getting regular views in the 500+k range.

The views count for all Picard season 2 trailer analysis/breakdown videos, from all channels, pro-NuTrek and NuTrek critical, could not reach the views of a Loki analysis/breakdown video from someone like "Emergency Awesome".

Why do pro-NuTrek channels not get more views? What is preventing NuTrek fans from watching pro-NuTrek videos? Why do NuTrek fans not show up en masse as the Marvel fans do?

 

[dupersuper]

No yawning in the utopia.

Surely that makes it a dystopia?

 

[fireproof78]

Surely that makes it a dystopia?

It does not. And don't call me Shirley*

*Dad joke brought to you by Father's Day 2021.

That's an easy and convenient answer.
I think the real answer is: People dislike NuTrek.


Why is this not happening to other IPs, like Marvel? The top videos for Marvel content are absolutely uncritical and fanboyish positive. The review/breakdown/analysis videos for Marvel content are getting regular views in the 500+k range.

The views count for all Picard season 2 trailer analysis/breakdown videos, from all channels, pro-NuTrek and NuTrek critical, could not reach the views of a Loki analysis/breakdown video from someone like "Emergency Awesome".

Why do pro-NuTrek channels not get more views? What is preventing NuTrek fans from watching pro-NuTrek videos? Why do NuTrek fans not show up en masse as the Marvel fans do?

Star Trek fans do not want to be happy. I truly believe that after ten years of observing and interacting with online fandom.

Marvel started out strong and fizzled out but people still treat it as the gold standard. Just like TWOK. Basically, glossing over any issues because it is considered to be the best. Not allowed to question it in any way.

But, what do I know? I think Marvel sucks.

 

[donners22]

People dislike NuTrek.

I'm sure some do, just as plenty disliked previous Trek shows. Some are no doubt the same people.

I was more expressing surprise that such people are so excited to pile on something they dislike. I feel like I haven't got enough time to focus on things I do enjoy, without letting something I dislike live rent-free in my head.

 

[fireproof78]

I'm sure some do, just as plenty disliked previous Trek shows. Some are no doubt the same people.

I was more expressing surprise that such people are so excited to pile on something they dislike. I feel like I haven't got enough time to focus on things I do enjoy, without letting something I dislike live rent-free in my head.

This is the question. It's like Star Wars. The fan base would rather focus on the stuff they don't enjoy (hating on Ewoks, Jar-Jar bashing, prequel bashing, Anakin bashing, Sequel bashing, and on it goes). My own personal theory is that Star Trek was regarded as so nerdy and niche that seeing anyone else enjoy it causes a level of reactionary antipathy that must be expressed and then there are those who make money off of the antipathy (Youtube, Axanar, etc). It is a vicious cycle that took years to perfect.

Amazingly, there is apparently no money in letting stuff go and enjoying oneself. Go figure.

 

[Sci]

That's an easy and convenient answer.
I think the real answer is: People dislike NuTrek.


Why is this not happening to other IPs, like Marvel? The top videos for Marvel content are absolutely uncritical and fanboyish positive. The review/breakdown/analysis videos for Marvel content are getting regular views in the 500+k range.

The views count for all Picard season 2 trailer analysis/breakdown videos, from all channels, pro-NuTrek and NuTrek critical, could not reach the views of a Loki analysis/breakdown video from someone like "Emergency Awesome".

Why do pro-NuTrek channels not get more views? What is preventing NuTrek fans from watching pro-NuTrek videos? Why do NuTrek fans not show up en masse as the Marvel fans do?

Your entire argument here relies on an unsubstantiated a priori assumption: that the opinions of people who make and view YouTube videos about Star Trek mirror the opinions of most people who watch Star Trek.

Here's a logic puzzle for you: if people don't like the ST shows airing on Paramount+, why does CBS keep renewing them, ordering new shows, and giving them the kinds of large budgets previous ST shows could only dream about?

 

[F. King Daniel]

The road not taken is Picard backing down from working harder to save the Romulans. This cascades into a more militant Starfleet.

Nah, it's got to be something that started/changed in present-day LA. Why else would Seven and Raffi be sent there?

 

[F. King Daniel]

That's an easy and convenient answer.
I think the real answer is: People dislike NuTrek

Obviously enough people like it that they're currently making five shows. This does not happen to unliked properties, they vanish.

I don't think all those Youtubers even really hate the show, they just know people will watch angry rants and that gets them sweet, sweet ad money. Honestly I wish I thought of it. Controversy creates cash.

 

[Danja]

Nah, it's got to be something that started/changed in present-day LA. Why else would Seven and Raffi be sent there?

Or near-future L.A. (note the Europa ads).

 

[TedShatner10]

If Kurtzman era Trek is a deep dismal failure, why is the National Amusements/Viacom media megacorp still pumping money and talent into three extanct shows (with DSCO already becoming long running), a fourth complete show on the horizon, and numerous potential shows (and movies) in the pipeline?

 

[Oso Blanco]

The Road Not Taken ... seems like they took a lesson from The Orville. But a whole season set in the past or in an alternate timeline? I was hoping for season two to move forward so we can get some more glimpses of that new era that was established in season one!

 

[Qonundrum]

I hope Q mentions to Picard that he swapped an artificial heart for a completely artificial body with silly contrivances (built-in "death clock"), goes "tut tut", snaps his fingers, and Picard got his real one back.

"The road not taken" - definitely a callout to "The Orville", a show modern Trek seems to be getting a lot of inspiration from. Why don't they just bring on their writing staff? It's not like a lot of them hadn't worked for Trek before...

Seven sans mini boomerang stuck on head. Parallel universe? There's a running theme.

And, yes, I like the fact they didn't do the total cookie cutter template routine of holding Q off as the "surprise surprise" moment at the end.

Maybe they'll release more teasers.

Maybe season one is a parallel universe entry; it feels like "Blake's 7 on crack" and it's not like B7 took inspiration from Trek (TOS) either.

 

[Qonundrum]

If Kurtzman era Trek is a deep dismal failure, why is the National Amusements/Viacom media megacorp still pumping money and talent into three extanct shows (with DSCO already becoming long running), a fourth complete show on the horizon, and numerous potential shows (and movies) in the pipeline?

Cash cow? Squeezing turnips? It's not hard to parrot examples from both sides of the gamut, though the one thing most by far agree on is that nobody would spend $8 mil (per episode) in the name of killing it in any way shape or form. It all still looks overtly faded teal, as monotonous as most shows nowadays...

And the shows will remain extant until they become extinct.

 

[Danja]

"The road not taken" - definitely a callout to "The Orville", a show modern Trek seems to be getting a lot of inspiration from. Why don't they just bring on their writing staff? It's not like a lot of them hadn't worked for Trek before...

More like a callout to Disco (I doubt The Orville is even on Alex Kurtzman's radar).

Alex has described Disco's "mirror" universe as being an "alternate universe." (What happens on the "road not taken"?)

It's a step beyond the simplistic "Let's turn everyone evil!"

 

[Oso Blanco]

"The road not taken" - definitely a callout to "The Orville", a show modern Trek seems to be getting a lot of inspiration from. Why don't they just bring on their writing staff? It's not like a lot of them hadn't worked for Trek before...

Seth MacFarlane wanted his own Star Trek show, but didn't get it. Looking at what he did with The Orville - especially with the more serious episodes - he would have been the best choice to carry on the franchise.

I doubt The Orville is even on Alex Kurtzman's radar.

It should be, because The Orville is exactly what many TNG era fans wanted from a new Star Trek show. And it handles a lot of social issues way better than let's say Discovery.

 

[Danja]

Seth MacFarlane wanted his own Star Trek show, but didn't get it. Looking at what he did with The Orville - especially with the more serious episodes - he would have been the best choice to carry on the franchise.

Why bother making a change then? Why not just stick with Rick Berman?

You can't have "serious" Seth MacFarlane without bringing in "scatological" Seth MacFarlane at the same time (Family Guy, Ted).

It should be, because The Orville is exactly what many TNG era fans wanted from a new Star Trek show. And it handles a lot of social issues way better than let's say Discovery.

They want to go back to what died in 2005?