WNMHGB Question

[Noname Given]

I'd put it on a sliding scale. The OS continuity effort is still impressive because all there was to refer to were scripts, production documents and people's memories. When TNG came along a number of Star Trek reference books were quite easy to find, and of course in the internet age, forget about it.

It depends on the intent of the person writing the script and what the production staff want for a story. I know younger people think that before the internet there was no way to find information on a subject, but no that wasn't the case. You couldn't get something in 30 seconds yes but there were methods of finding information and verifying things. Plus often the sources were more reliable and at least researched to a degree and not just posted on someone's website as fact without anyone checking on the validity.

TV production is always running at high speed. Getting 22 episodes of season done doesn't give a lot of time for double checking. It can be done but again the emphasis is on a good entertaining story that can be filmed within budget over a few days.

Both TOS and TNG had times where scripts were being written and rewritten while an episode was being filmed; and there were times that scripts weren't even fully finished when shooting began.

 

[dupersuper]

From Memory Alpha:

According to the novel The Higher Frontier, humans are not a naturally psychic race, as they lack a paracortex or similar structure in their brains. Instead, every human esper is bonded with a Spectre, a non-corporeal entity that provides its host with psychic ability. The galactic barrier awakened and supercharged Mitchell and Dehner's Spectres, driving them insane in the process. Had they not been killed, Mitchell and Dehner would have died soon anyway, due to the Spectres burning out their bodies.

That one sounds horrible.

Also, Eminiar 7 and an event from "A Taste of Armageddon" called back in "By Any Other Name."

Also Turnabout Intruder had references to The Cage/Menagerie (Talos death penalty) and Tholian Web.

...we're no longer afraid of death...
...children no longer mourn their parents...
..no money...

The first two are absurd, but I'm a-ok with the third.

 

[Extrocomp]

That one sounds horrible.

Horrible as in "a bad story" or horrible as in "a horrible fate for Dehner and Mitchell"?

 

[Swedish Borg]

Horrible as in "a bad story" or horrible as in "a horrible fate for Dehner and Mitchell"?

Horrible as this doesn't belong in a sci. fi. episode.

 

[Extrocomp]

Horrible as this doesn't belong in a sci. fi. episode.

Why not? Star Trek has lots of non-corporeal species.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Also Turnabout Intruder had references to The Cage/Menagerie (Talos death penalty) and Tholian Web.

I decided against including the "Turnabout Intruder" reference to the death penalty since they got the number wrong (It went from General Order Seven to Four). But yeah, at least they were trying.

 

[Scott Kellogg]

Why not? Star Trek has lots of non-corporeal species.

Mitchell and Dehner were driven by their own Ids and subconscious desires unleashed and run wild.
Having the power be controlled by parasite/symbiotic "spectres" changes (or at the very least dilutes) the meaning of the story.

 

[Swedish Borg]

Why not? Star Trek has lots of non-corporeal species.

This sounds like a ghost story.

 

[Ssosmcin]

This sounds like a ghost story.

Kind of like "The Lights of Zetar."

 

[Swedish Borg]

Kind of like "The Lights of Zetar."

Yeah...

 

[Henoch]

The "Lights" were not ghosts, rather non-corporeal alien minds again. There are no ghosts in TOS.

 

[Scott Kellogg]

The "Lights" were not ghosts, rather non-corporeal alien minds again. There are no ghosts in TOS.

Splitting that hair kind of fine there, ain't cha, buddy?

 

[Henoch]

Yep. Star Trek has explained just about all supernatural phenomenon like ghosts and magic away with Treknobabble science.

 

[Swedish Borg]

Yep. Star Trek has explained just about all supernatural phenomenon like ghosts and magic away with Treknobabble science.

Plus we have the infamous TAS' "Magic Of Megas Tu". Where magic actually works!!! I mean who cares about differential equations and quantum physics when you have... INCANTATIONS!!!

 

[Noname Given]

Plus we have the infamous TAS' "Magic Of Megas Tu". Where magic actually works!!! I mean who cares about differential equations and quantum physics when you have... INCANTATIONS!!!

In the TOS/TNG universe everything Q does is effectively magic. He snaps his fingers and it's done, no devices or mechanical aids of any type needed.

If that's not a classic definition of magic (IE thinking about it snapping your fingers and it's done); I don't know what is.

 

[Swedish Borg]

In the TOS/TNG universe everything Q does is effectively magic. He snaps his fingers and it's done, no devices or mechanical aids of any type needed.

If that's not a classic definition of magic (IE thinking about it snapping your fingers and it's done); I don't know what is.

That's why it's sometimes hard to defend the idea that Star Trek is science fiction. Well, it's a lot more fiction than science.

 

[fireproof78]

More speculative fiction.

 

[Swedish Borg]

More speculative fiction.

Of a sort.

 

[dupersuper]

Horrible as in "a bad story" or horrible as in "a horrible fate for Dehner and Mitchell"?

As in bad story. It sounds like scientology type thetans. Hard pass.

 

[Phoenix219]

Mitchell came across as an ass ever before his transformation.I’m glad he wasn’t a regular on the show.

Thats why I would have loved to have gotten a whole season with Piper, Kelso, Mitchell - I think the dynamic could have been a lot of fun. He may have had some narcissistic tendencies, but overall, I think he cared about his friends, and the prankster personality could have been fun as a foil for Spock. When I first saw the Orville character Gordon Malloy, it reminded me of a Mitchell-esque personality; Picture a toned down version of his antics with Isaac, but with Mitchell and Spock.

If the pilot episode was actually a season finale of a whole series of adventures with that crew, it would have been incredibly impactful; we would truly feel Kirk's anguish at the decisions he had to made and the consequences of everything. I would love a (novel, comic, fan series) taking place in this mythical first year. But thats just me.