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WNMHGB Question

All these years later and we still don't know what they need with a starship...

Remember in TNG that lunatic that shot Picard when he thought he was a god? What was that imbecile trying to accomplish?

If Picard is a god then shooting him isn't likely to convince him of doing anything, if he isn't then you've just killed some guy.

That guy should have been a packled.
 
It seems clear it was done as an economical re-use of barrier fx footage from WNMHGB. I don't usually favor "material" changes in the TOS-R fx, but I like the way they made the void look different in "Is There in Truth No Beauty." That's not the galactic barrier, it's somewhere else and something other.



Regarding Gary's change of character from good to evil, I still say the power was involuntarily distorting his brain functions, and not just tempting him to go bad on purpose. Ssosmcin makes a reasonable case, but we'll have to disagree on this one. Gary is a good officer who suddenly has literally galactic energies pouring through his brain.

If it were just a matter of will, he'd at least take a lot longer to stop caring about people. I say his brain gets messed up by the energy.

This. Power wouldn't make you want to kill your best friends, wouldn't corrupt you to that level that quickly. I could see him doing lots of selfish things, but wouldn't he want to *impress* them with all the things that he could do? Sure, he'd be greedy and narcissistic and grow away from them, but to instantly look at them as insects and kill Kelso?
 
They had 51 minutes to tell this tale. It had to be done in that shorthand style of television storytelling. Had this been a film, they could have spent more time showing us Gary's decline. Instead they had to get from showing us quickly that he was a fun dude and Kirk's best friend to a god looking at humans as less than ants while still introducing us to the series concepts and characters. This is why I take it at face value.

Anyway, when one of us is zapped with the power to move us from average human to practical godhood in just a few days, we'll be able to say whether or not we'd disregard human life so casually. Just because we can't conceive of such a change doesn't mean it wouldn't happen under those circumstances.
 
They had 51 minutes to tell this tale. It had to be done in that shorthand style of television storytelling. Had this been a film, they could have spent more time showing us Gary's decline. Instead they had to get from showing us quickly that he was a fun dude and Kirk's best friend to a god looking at humans as less than ants while still introducing us to the series concepts and characters. This is why I take it at face value.

Anyway, when one of us is zapped with the power to move us from average human to practical godhood in just a few days, we'll be able to say whether or not we'd disregard human life so casually. Just because we can't conceive of such a change doesn't mean it wouldn't happen under those circumstances.

Or you could create monsters with your subconscious mind.
 
Then again, Mitchell's eyes didn't go opaque until fairly late in the game; he didn't have a big lead on Dehner there. And why should he? Both were "infected" at the same time.

It's just that while everybody was gasping at Mitchell's grandstand stunts, nobody had the presence of mind to look at what Dehner was doing behind their backs... Whereas she very much had the presence of mind not to reveal her cards, especially considering how the crew treated the man/God trusted upon her care!

Timo Saloniemi
I think you need to re-watch the episode. Mitchell's eyes were opaque as soon as Kirk went to check on him after he collapsed on the Bridge.

It was Dhenner's eyes which didn't go opaque until pretty much the last act of the episode.
 
Remember in TNG that lunatic that shot Picard when he thought he was a god? What was that imbecile trying to accomplish?

If Picard is a god then shooting him isn't likely to convince him of doing anything, if he isn't then you've just killed some guy.

That guy should have been a packled.
The most interesting thing about that episode was that it showed whoever wrote it really didn't know much about Star Trek in general. I say that because he had the crew describing the Mintokins as primitive proto Vulcans, which were very logical.

It seems the writers never really looked into Vulcan culture as early Vulcans were warlike and absolutely murderous towards each other. They only embraced logic because they realized if they kept on the path they were going they would entirely destroy themselves and their world.

So yeah the Mintokins should have been warlike and beating the hell out of each other if they were actual primitive 'proto Vulcans'.
 
Then again, Mitchell's eyes didn't go opaque until fairly late in the game; he didn't have a big lead on Dehner there. And why should he? Both were "infected" at the same time.

It's just that while everybody was gasping at Mitchell's grandstand stunts, nobody had the presence of mind to look at what Dehner was doing behind their backs... Whereas she very much had the presence of mind not to reveal her cards, especially considering how the crew treated the man/God trusted upon her care!

Timo Saloniemi
It also depends on the person's ESPer rating. Gary's was higher than Dehner's so he changed faster and grew powerful faster. Dehner never was going to be as powerful as Gary, and she never got as evil either.
 
It's the male chauvinistic attitude from the sixties... The man is always the one who does things first, is better at it or stronger... Otherwise, there is no valid reason why she couldn't have been the first to experience the esp thing... with odd eyes and all...
 
Gary Mitchell acquired great Godlike powers but not the wisdom to go with it! So he became suspicious of his once friends and perceived that they might try to destroy him as any tyrant might think and in turn tried to annihilate them for him daring to think it!!!
Like Spock had already said in the episode! :vulcan:
JB
 
The most interesting thing about that episode was that it showed whoever wrote it really didn't know much about Star Trek in general. I say that because he had the crew describing the Mintokins as primitive proto Vulcans, which were very logical.

And might remain logical until deposited on a desert planet where the only way to survive is to hate thy neighbor with vehemence amounting to passion.

Culture and biology don't appear to be closely coupled here, as we see Vulcans and Romulans take different paths simply by choosing. So "primitive Vulcanoids" need not follow any particular philosophy by birth.

That the folks on Mintaka would have been "proto" -Vulcans is not explained much in the episode. Probably it means they are not "special Vulcans" but rather a Case A1 Baseline version. Or as Wiktionary puts it:

"Prototype: An instance of a category or a concept that combines its most representative attributes."

Timo Saloniemi
 
Note too that Mitchell's hair reverts to normal in the moment his eyes do. The silver is a manifestation of his power, not a physical change.

It's actually pretty inconsistent. The grey only really seems to disappear during the fight. I'd chalk this up to a production/continuity error rather than the grey being a manifestation.

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Of course, if it's in the script then that's that.
 
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