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[Dukhat]

Facts are not bashing. Many of the old guard who were left out of the new productions have been bitter, which I can understand and would be too. I however wouldn't do it publically.

Drexler stating publicly that he’s bitter about being left out of a Star Trek production and/or badmouthing whoever’s currently in charge was news to me. I’d never heard this before. Could you provide a source for this? Not saying you’re making it up; just that I’d like some backup about what you’re posting.

 

[Tuskin38]

Drexler mentioned in a TrekYards interview that he hadn't watched any of Discovery because he was upset that they didn't bring anyone else on to the productions. I don't remember him badmouthing anyone. But it could have been on facebook or something.

Now, this was a few years ago when only Discovery was on the air. Things could have changed.

They've done a bunch of videos with him, I don't remember which one it was
https://www.youtube.com/c/Trekyardswebseries/search?query=doug drexler

 

[KennyB]

I could but not right now. Real life gets in the way. Maybe later tonight.

 

[fireproof78]

So the old guard say one thing and it's hearsay, never happened. They say something else and it's "facts" and they are bitter about been left out of new productions.

John Eaves stating he heard "through the grapevine" that an executive was destroying sets out of malice is hearsay. As stated there are many reasons to destroy sets and props, none of them involving personal animosity towards the property.

Drexler having an opinion about the new shows is his opinion.

 

[Saul]

John Eaves stating he heard "through the grapevine" that an executive was destroying sets out of malice is hearsay. As stated there are many reasons to destroy sets and props, none of them involving personal animosity towards the property.

As far as you know. That might be the answer.
But also based on comments of people who worked there at the time, the man didn't like Star Trek and that can equally be just as believable.

Drexler having an opinion about the new shows is his opinion.

Right, opinion. It doesn't mean it's a reaction to not getting to work on those shows. Beyond Trek Yards I have found him to keep pretty quiet on facebook anytime someone asks him for his opinion on new Trek. In the Trekyards videos he is discussing the work he did and says that he HAS NOT WATCHED new Trek. If anything, I have found him to be more critical of production choices that were made while he was working on 'Enterprise'.

 

[fireproof78]

As far as you know. That might be the answer.
But also based on comments of people who worked there at the time, the man didn't like Star Trek and that can equally be just as believable.

Yes, as far as I know. I have no reason to believe any of it. Certainly I will not apply malicious intent without further knowledge when it comes to procedures in business that are explicitly common.

Right, opinion. It doesn't mean it's a reaction to not getting to work on those shows. Beyond Trek Yards I have found him to keep pretty quiet on facebook anytime someone asks him for his opinion on new Trek. In the Trekyards videos he is discussing the work he did and says that he HAS NOT WATCHED new Trek.

Well, I find that opinions are informed by emotions among most humans, so I find the idea that his reaction based upon not working just as believable.

Mileage will vary.

 

[Saul]

Well, I find that opinions are informed by emotions among most humans

Kinda like people who really hate Star Trek.

 

[fireproof78]

Kinda like people who really hate Star Trek.

Having an opinion does not mean automatically going out and burning and bulldozing.

But, hey, if believing in evil intent beyond destroying sets is helpful go right ahead.

 

[Vger23]

I'm sure there will never be any more Star Trek in any form as a result of this development...and even worse, all existing forms of Star Trek will spontaneously combust.

 

[fireproof78]

I'm sure there will never be any more Star Trek in any form as a result of this development...and even worse, all existing forms of Star Trek will spontaneously combust.

That is CBS' ultimate goal is to completely wipe Star Trek off the face of the earth.

 

[Vger23]

That is CBS' ultimate goal is to completely wipe Star Trek off the face of the earth.

Paramount executives discussing the Star Trek franchise...

 

[Dukhat]

Kinda like people who really hate Star Trek.

VOY and ENT were UPN's flagship shows. The people in charge didn't 'hate' Star Trek. They just didn't understand how to produce and market it.

Moonves also didn't 'hate' Star Trek. Eaves is a biased and unreliable source. He didn't even give a specific name to this nebulous person he's referring to. You're welcome to take his ranting as gospel, but everything both he and you say is illogical. If you hate a show, you just cancel it. Period. You don't spend lots and lots of money on a show that you hate.

And let's just say that Moonves did in fact 'hate' Star Trek. Well, that's irrelevant. He wasn't producing the show for himself. He was trying to make money for the studio, which was his job. If ENT was a ratings powerhouse, you wouldn't even be questioning how he felt about the show.

At this point you're just making nonsequitor comments because no one is agreeing with you.

 

[drt]

Drexler mentioned in a TrekYards interview that he hadn't watched any of Discovery because he was upset that they didn't bring anyone else on to the productions. I don't remember him badmouthing anyone. But it could have been on facebook or something.

I doubt Drexler ever bad mouthed anyone. He always came across as pretty professional in that regard, and much less likely to post random hearsay than Eaves.

I also haven't seen anything where he's disparaged any of the newer Kurtzman Trek shows. However, I was an avid DrexFiles reader back in the day and I recall several snarky posts about Abrams Trek, which definitely came across as being bitter.

 

[Saul]

Eaves is a biased and unreliable source.

Why?

 

[Dukhat]

Why?

Because the quotes from him that you posted were not facts. They were just hearsay. And emotionally-fueled hearsay at that. Hardly what I would call an unbiased source.

 

[Saul]

Because the quotes from him that you posted were not facts. They were just hearsay. And emotionally-fueled hearsay at that. Hardly what I would call an unbiased source.

And you are unbiased and having not worked on the show are more reliable? What facts have you presented?

 

[Dukhat]

And you are unbiased and having not worked on the show are more reliable? What facts have you presented?

I've presented as many facts as you have. Namely, none. And since you didn't work on the show either, that's a pointless comparison.

It's like I'm talking to a brick wall here, so I'm going to bow out of this conversation now.

 

[Saul]

I've presented as many facts as you have. Namely, none.

It's like I'm talking to a brick wall here, so I'm going to bow out of this conversation now.

That's fair enough Dukhat. I'm tired of this too. I've presented the opinion of people who worked on the show. You presented your opinion. I'm not calling their opinion facts nor am I calling your opinion facts. I just wondered why you'd know better.

 

[Tuskin38]

I doubt Drexler ever bad mouthed anyone. He always came across as pretty professional in that regard, and much less likely to post random hearsay than Eaves.

I also haven't seen anything where he's disparaged any of the newer Kurtzman Trek shows. However, I was an avid DrexFiles reader back in the day and I recall several snarky posts about Abrams Trek, which definitely came across as being bitter.

Yeah, he saw St09 and hated it. I don't remember the exact reasons why.

 

[Vger23]

Yeah, he saw St09 and hated it. I don't remember the exact reasons why.

I’m taking a wild guess here...

“NoT reEl StaR Track!! To mAny XplOShuns! ShIp biLt oN Teh grOwnd?!? Y u bLow uP VuLcaN?!?