What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[K Roe Buy]

Irregardless of the technical inaccuracies and mistakes on Nemesis, it's amazing how many people miss the whole point of the movie. Data was killed so he could become the new and improved version of himself in the form of B4. Just as Shinzon wanted to become a better version of Picard, and himself, but failed miserably. As Picard comments (not in so many words) throughout the film, to Shinzon and Data, that one of the greatest things someone can strive for is to become a better person than he/she was the day before. To constantly be struggling for self-improvement, and not only that, but also to leave the world a little better than it would have been without your existence. How in the world can anyone find anything wrong with that? You'd have to be a pretty cold, callous and dark-hearted dystopian nihilist. I'm also surprised at the terrible reception the film got by the critics, who found the moral of the film to be somewhat of sentimental and sappy. I disagree completely. It might not have been the best of the series, but I believe it was a lot better than most people think. As a matter of fact, perhaps a just little bit better than most of what came before. . . ‍‍‍‍‍️

 

[F. King Daniel]

Irregardless of the technical inaccuracies and mistakes on Nemesis, it's amazing how many people miss the whole point of the movie. Data was killed so he could become the new and improved version of himself in the form of B4. Just as Shinzon wanted to become a better version of Picard, and himself, but failed miserably. As Picard comments (not in so many words) throughout the film, to Shinzon and Data, that one of the greatest things someone can strive for is to become a better person than he/she was the day before. To constantly be struggling for self-improvement, and not only that, but also to leave the world a little better than it would have been without your existence. How in the world can anyone find anything wrong with that? You'd have to be a pretty cold, callous and dark-hearted dystopian nihilist. I'm also surprised at the terrible reception the film got by the critics, who found the moral of the film to be somewhat of sentimental and sappy. I disagree completely. It might not have been the best of the series, but I believe it was a lot better than most people think. As a matter of fact, perhaps a just little bit better than most of what came before. . . ‍‍‍‍‍️

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[1001001]

Irregardless of the technical inaccuracies and mistakes on Nemesis, it's amazing how many people miss the whole point of the movie. Data was killed so he could become the new and improved version of himself in the form of B4. Just as Shinzon wanted to become a better version of Picard, and himself, but failed miserably. As Picard comments (not in so many words) throughout the film, to Shinzon and Data, that one of the greatest things someone can strive for is to become a better person than he/she was the day before. To constantly be struggling for self-improvement, and not only that, but also to leave the world a little better than it would have been without your existence. How in the world can anyone find anything wrong with that? You'd have to be a pretty cold, callous and dark-hearted dystopian nihilist. I'm also surprised at the terrible reception the film got by the critics, who found the moral of the film to be somewhat of sentimental and sappy. I disagree completely. It might not have been the best of the series, but I believe it was a lot better than most people think. As a matter of fact, perhaps a just little bit better than most of what came before. . . ‍‍‍‍‍️

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[1001001]

Regardless of what that moderator says

Almost never a good way to start a post.

this is probably a good place for the comment, being a controversial opinion and all.

I don't disagree, but that doesn't change the feedback I'm giving this new poster. I've told you before not to interrupt threads with your mini-mod commentary. You're not on staff here.

Now, return to controversial opinions. Thanks.

 

[Swedish Borg]

I can't stand Darmok anymore... It's ok the first time and maybe a second time after a long interval but now it's just... annoying.

 

[1001001]

I can't stand Darmok anymore... It's ok the first time and maybe a second time after a long interval but now it's just... annoying.

Darmok is fine once you grant the premise that this advanced space-faring race can’t figure out that no one else knows their stories...

 

[cooleddie74]

"Lessons(TNG)" is overrated. Yes, the music Picard and the female officer he's attracted to play together is pretty and it's far from a terrible episode but it just doesn't do much of anything for me.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Darmok is fine once you grant the premise that this advanced space-faring race can’t figure out that no one else knows their stories...

Maybe that episode was their first contact with aliens?

 

[1001001]

Maybe that episode was their first contact with aliens?

If you met an alien for the first time, would you assume he knows the story of Pompei?

“Shaka, when Vesuvius blew”.

It’s absurd.

 

[Swedish Borg]

"Lessons(TNG)" is overrated. Yes, the music Picard and the female officer he's attracted to play together is pretty and it's far from a terrible episode but it just doesn't do much of anything for me.

Well, it's bland. It's hard to believe that Picard was such a player when he was young given how dull he's' become.

 

[ChallengerHK]

Darmok is fine once you grant the premise that this advanced space-faring race can’t figure out that no one else knows their stories...

Or, can't figure out that they appear to be the only group which communicates solely through metaphors. I would have thought that somewhere alone the line one of them would have said "The rest of the galaxy appears to be populated by concrete thinkers"... or something like "Tarooku's symbols fail."

 

[Swedish Borg]

Or, can't figure out that they appear to be the only group which communicates solely through metaphors. I would have thought that somewhere alone the line one of them would have said "The rest of the galaxy appears to be populated by concrete thinkers"... or something like "Tarooku's symbols fail."

What I can't figure out is how they teach themselves these metaphors... You could say buy using other metaphors but how about the first ones?

 

[Nyotarules]

If you met an alien for the first time, would you assume he knows the story of Pompei?

“Shaka, when Vesuvius blew”.

It’s absurd.

They expect folks to check galactic Google

 

[JesterFace]

About 'Darmok'. I think it works until Riker orders the Enterprise to fire on the Tamarian ship. They are trying to save Picard but if it starts a war with possibly (?) powerful adversary is that a smart move? I guess Riker knows Tamarians don't have a massive fleet to start fighting the Federation? Shaka when the walls fell.... Riker when ordered to fire....

 

[Swedish Borg]

The awful ending of "Silicon Avatar" where they all gang up against that poor woman who did the only thing that wasn't completely STUPID!!! Look at the scowl on Riker's imbecilic face!! Incredible! And Picard's "Make sure she stays in her quarters:" What an asshole!!! Because she killed that thing, he pretends to believe that she's now a danger to the community!!! How do they come up with that crap?

 

[Vger23]

Lots of exclamation points.

 

[Lord Garth]

I've got one. A good one. I'm not too keen on the DSC Enterprise Bridge.

Technically it does what it's supposed to do: it mashes up the TOS Style with the DSC Style, and does it just about evenly. I just don't think it's that great of a combination. And it's way too busy-looking. I don't hate it and I won't mind seeing it in SNW, but it's not a favorite of mine.

Even in Real Life, I don't like when things look too cluttered and too busy.

 

[Shawnster]

That's not really true. Q is not the one who gave him his sight back but even if it was, big deal!!!

Sure it is.

It's a metaphoric "deal with the devil" concept.

Riker gains powers by selling his soul to the devil and gives Geordi natural eyesight. While Geordi might enjoy and appreciate the gift of eyesight, he hates that Riker made a deal with the devil, or sold his soul to the devil in order to have the ability to give Geordi that eyesight.

In the context of the episode, Q is the devil. He's the villain. He's the antagonist. He' evil. He's the enemy that must be defeated. Geordi's eyesight comes at the price of his friend Riker joining the enemy. The antagonist wins. The villain triumphs. Q's goal was to corrupt Riker and he succeeds.

Let's say your best friend or significant other or beloved family member gives you enough money to pay all your bills for life, but it comes at the expense of your beloved friend/family member joining and becoming a staunch advocate for [insert whichever social or political ideology is diametrically opposed to yours]. There are many people who would rather retain their family/friend instead of seeing them sell out.

Darmok is fine once you grant the premise that this advanced space-faring race can’t figure out that no one else knows their stories...

"Lessons(TNG)" is overrated. Yes, the music Picard and the female officer he's attracted to play together is pretty and it's far from a terrible episode but it just doesn't do much of anything for me.

If you met an alien for the first time, would you assume he knows the story of Pompei?

“Shaka, when Vesuvius blew”.

It’s absurd.

The idea of the alien language is great on the surface but you can easily see the flaws once you start to scratch that surface. In addition to the above...

How do the Children of Tama ask for simple things like "I'm hungry, what's for lunch?" or "Where is the restroom?" Do they have metaphors for these mundane conversations?

How did they express their thought or opinion before the metaphor was invented/historical event occurred? What did they use to say before those walls were built, let alone fell?

How does one invent a new thought or idea or technology? How does one express in metaphor the concept of building a rowboat when no rowboat had ever existed before? Or warp travel?

 

[cooleddie74]

I've got one. A good one. I'm not too keen on the DSC Enterprise Bridge.

Technically it does what it's supposed to do: it mashes up the TOS Style with the DSC Style, and does it just about evenly. I just don't think it's that great of a combination. And it's way too busy-looking. I don't hate it and I won't mind seeing it in SNW, but it's not a favorite of mine.

Even in Real Life, I don't like when things look too cluttered and too busy.

And it's too shiny. No Enterprise bridge has been this shiny either before in the timeline nor after. Give it a matte floor and deckplates and tone down all the Red Alert striping and lights. TOS made do with two or three Red Alert lights on the bridge.

 

[Swedish Borg]

Sure it is.

It's a metaphoric "deal with the devil" concept.
...

No normal person would reason like that. A blind man who's given his sight back would never do that. That's fictional bullshit 101.

That qualifies not only as looking a gift horse in the mouth but as dissecting it, cutting it in little pieces, and then throwing the pieces in the trash.

These writers should spend some time with real people once in a while. It might give them a better idea of how to make their stories a little more realistic.

And that's still not the most outrageous bit in this thing, Picard's patting Riker on the back for letting a little girl die has to win the prize.

Plus think about it!! It was Ok for Riker to revive the others because "Q killed them". So now when you Q kills someone they're not really dead. I am sure the 18 who died during the first Borg encounter would have been happy to learn that.

I am tired of being told to consider these assholes heroes when they keep doing disgusting things like that and then smile and make jokes about it.