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Spoilers Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - Grading & Discussion

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Exactly. It needed to be either a three-hour movie or a 'Deathly Hallows' style two-parter, and/or they needed to push the release date back to allow time to fine-tune the story (which would have run right into COVID, so probably just as well they didn't). And Abrams would be allowed neither.

I think the other problem is Abrams tends to play it as safe as possible at all times. That worked well for him in Star Trek 2009 and The Force Awakens, when a safe approach was needed to get both franchises back on track, but it doesn't work so well when you're following up something like The Last Jedi, where the director had absolutely no issue taking risks.

The only lackluster part for me was the Knights of Ren. Sadly underused.

Yeah, I'd have loved to see more of the Knights of Ren. I guess I just would have enjoyed TRoS better if they'd actually committed to the direction established by TLJ instead of trying to please everybody.

Also, more Rose Tico. It's borderline criminal how they treated Kelly Marie Tran this time around.
 
Yeah, I'd have loved to see more of the Knights of Ren. I guess I just would have enjoyed TRoS better if they'd actually committed to the direction established by TLJ instead of trying to please everybody.

Also, more Rose Tico. It's borderline criminal how they treated Kelly Marie Tran this time around.
I guess I must be more tone deaf on some things but my only real frustration with TLJ to TRoS was that Poe was out and about flying the Falcon on a mission and wasn't totally sure why that was going on. The rest felt large enough to follow the the Resistance pulling itself back together, and the same as Rey. Though, interestingly, that this process is well represented by her repairing the Skywalker lightsaber, going back on her path despite being torn apart.
 
The more I think about these three (the ST), I am left, as a casual fan, wondering how they actually did anything for the big Skywalker story. Rey wasn't one except by adoption. Ends up killing Palpatine, who wasn't a Skywalker to the best of my knowledge.

I guess it was Ben, who's a Skywalker on his mom's side. The last three flicks just feel really off to the side of the main Skywalker story, which feels pretty done after ep VI.

My $.02.
 
I think the fact that it came to be regarded as the Big Skywalker story is a problem to me. I get it that it was set up thusly, and I think it did well enough to continue on Skywalker's legacy through learning from past mistakes. But, the galaxy as a whole was more my interest and I feel there is more there to explore.

But, as for the Skywalkers, yeah it's kind of done.
 
As much as I was underwhelmed by TRoS, I hope and fully expect a comic adaptation will come someday. No reason to have adaptations of ten out of eleven of the major live action Star Wars movies.

After all, took a few decades and eventually we got a Wrath of Khan adaptation.
 
I liked the sequel trilogy well enough, but I do think it would have been better if Disney had allowed one person to tell the entire story rather than their initial plan to have all three films have different creative visions. Johnson opted to take things in a different direction than Abrams and then Abrams returned and tried to take things back more where he was originally headed, and some things suffered for that--like Finn, Rose, the Knights of Ren, etc.
 
I've noticed that they do seem to be going with one person or team being in charge of any on screen series they have coming up. The GOT guys were supposed to be doing a trilogy, and I believe Rian Johnson is also going to be making a trilogy . On the TV front, Deborah Chow is going to be the only director for the Obi-Wan Kenobi series.
 
The more I think about these three (the ST), I am left, as a casual fan, wondering how they actually did anything for the big Skywalker story. Rey wasn't one except by adoption. Ends up killing Palpatine, who wasn't a Skywalker to the best of my knowledge.

I guess it was Ben, who's a Skywalker on his mom's side. The last three flicks just feel really off to the side of the main Skywalker story, which feels pretty done after ep VI.

My $.02.
Well, the fact is, they didn't fit as chapters of the Skywalker Saga at all. That series, as you say, ended at Return of the Jedi. These three were the Rey Saga if nothing else. And an imcomprehensible saga at best.
 
Well, the fact is, they didn't fit as chapters of the Skywalker Saga at all. That series, as you say, ended at Return of the Jedi. These three were the Rey Saga if nothing else. And an imcomprehensible saga at best.
Thankfully, my mind is incomprehensible so it worked out! :D
 
They might have had a few issues, but I wouldn't call them incomprehensible. And they are still pop the Skywalker Saga since they continue on the story of the Skywalker family, with Luke, Leia, and Ben Solo all playing significant roles.
 
They might have had a few issues, but I wouldn't call them incomprehensible. And they are still pop the Skywalker Saga since they continue on the story of the Skywalker family, with Luke, Leia, and Ben Solo all playing significant roles.
Honestly, yes, but at this point I'm tired of discussing it. If a person doesn't want to enjoy the ST then at this point that's on them.
 
I got extremely bored at work this past week while doing a largely menial and passive task. Typing on my phone was one of the few potential distractions, so I decided to praise a dead horse, and came up with the following. If you don't like it, or find it tiresome and unnecessary just remember that I was doubtless even more bored writing it than you are reading it! :p Anyhow, onto the...

Top 5 reasons TRoS is the best Sequel Trilogy episode

Bonus: Driver gives his best performance
Many were unimpressed with the plotting behind Ben Solo's absurdly predictable redemption and equally inevitable self-sacrifice. Indeed, it seems most online commentators wanted him to remain and die a toxic cishet white male - and, sure, given who was the American president for most of the trilogy, that's fair. But TRoS provided Driver with what was objectively his biggest ST character progression, and his performance matched the challenge.


5. Luke is Luke / the heroes are celebrated
Using stray bits of Carrie Fisher footage to cobble together a creepy and artificial performance was a mistake, but at least it was done in service of what Rian Johnson's Luke said couldn't be done - bringing Ben Solo back to the light. In other words, after two movies in which our OT heroes were broken down and degraded, TRoS is the only one to portray them in a respecting, even celebratory way. Ghost Luke feels like Luke again, and Lando gets to survive. Hell, it's the only ST film in which Luke, Leia, and Han speak!


4. It's got a halfway decent baddie in Palps
Granted, resurrecting Palpatine out of nowhere was as dumb as the lightspeed skipping sequence, but MacDiarmid nonetheless gave the trilogy its only satisfying villain. Snoke was a one-dimensional nothing, and Kylo was always too poorly developed to be an adequate saga-closing enemy on his own.


3. It explained why Ben Solo went bad... sort of
Why did Ben Solo become a school shooter? His fall to the Dark Side is the precipitating event of the ST, and the question of whether he can be redeemed is the central dramatic fulcrum of all three flicks. (The prospect of redeeming Anakin Skywalker, on the other hand, isn't even on the table until halfway through the OT's third entry.) Therefore, if the audience is going to have as any understanding of the character, they require some explanation for why Leia's only child went bad - and only TRoS offers one: turns out it was Palpatine "whispering in his ear" all along.

Hacky, reductive, and dramatically unsatisfying? Sure, but at least it's something, whereas TFA and TLJ gave us nothing, in "he had too much Vader in him" and "Luke sensed he was almost gone, and then an ill-considered confrontation pushed him over the edge," respectively. Given Ben Solo's parentage, a redemption arc was pretty much preordained from the start, but only TRoS bothered to provide any reason for why said redemption was necessary in the first place.


2. It's the only ST flick to unite its trio
The best aspects of the ST are surface level: the beautiful imagery, lavish and tactile production design, and the charismatic cast. Not only does TLJ make the colossal blunder of keeping its main trio of Ridley, Isaac and Boyega almost entirely separate, Rey and Poe don't even meet for the first time until over four hours of screen time have elapsed! The trio's adventures in TRoS may be convoluted and nonsensical, but they're the only ones we got, which make them the best by default. What's more, the three charismatic actors have unsurprisingly great chemistry, and watching them play off of each other is a blast.


1. It's the end of the ST
The ST was a chaotically produced mess that recycled the structure and countless plot points of the OT to shortsighted, money-printing ends. Walking out of TFA and TLJ, I dreaded having to revisit this debacle of a story, but after seeing TRoS, I experienced a pleasant sensation of relief. Even if some or all of these characters return someday, this volume of the saga is mercifully, definitely over. And surely that's worthy of playing John Williams' legendary fanfare over the end credits for!
 
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It probably is the best of those 3. TFA just felt like a retread a d TLJ did my Luke dirty.
I remember just blurt laughing when they just told us Palpatine was alive in the opening scroll. There was no build up or anything.
 
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And don't forget the huge magical fleet of rebel ships near the end which we have already mentioned. That's not my favourite scene. I did like the teleporting objects and stuff, and "force telephone"
 
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