What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Farscape One]

"A NIGHT IN SICKBAY", I can grant you because at least it was trying to be different.

But "THESE ARE THE VOYAGES..."?????!!!!!

NO! In every way, just no.

Would it be as hated if it were not the series finale? Possibly, but it was still terrible in many ways. It was an episode that was about a regular from another series! It really had nothing to do with the characters on the actual series it was produced for.

(And I know they have done similar things before, like "LIVING WITNESS", since it didn't really have any of the regulars who were actually there. Even the Doctor was the backup module. But at least that had a great story and message, and it was trying to put right the people of that show who were historically revised as evil.)

 

[Swedish Borg]

"A NIGHT IN SICKBAY", I can grant you because at least it was trying to be different.

But "THESE ARE THE VOYAGES..."?????!!!!!

NO! In every way, just no.

Would it be as hated if it were not the series finale? Possibly, but it was still terrible in many ways. It was an episode that was about a regular from another series! It really had nothing to do with the characters on the actual series it was produced for.

(And I know they have done similar things before, like "LIVING WITNESS", since it didn't really have any of the regulars who were actually there. Even the Doctor was the backup module. But at least that had a great story and message, and it was trying to put right the people of that show who were historically revised as evil.)

The whole story is just stupid, even regardless that it's a holodeck simulation!! I mean Archer and Trip just learned that she ship has been boarded and they wander the corridors without a gun?? How stupid is that? They don't even have the excuse of being rookies. They've gone through the expanse and all that. Seeing these two running idiots being caught by the pirates!!

 

[Farscape One]

Exactly! Yet another reason in a VERY long list of reasons why that is a HORRIBLE episode. I genuinely feel it is the worst episode of the franchise. Even more so than "PRECIOUS CARGO". Or even "PROFIT AND LACE", which I have never been able to defend.

 

[cooleddie74]

I'll one up you and say that both These Are The Voyages... and A Night in Sickbay are better than the Irish holodeck episodes

I'm getting there!

 

[cooleddie74]

"TATV...(ENT)," however, feels like a gigantic betrayal whereas "ANiS(ENT)" at worst comes off as a giant misfire with some cute moments. "Harbinger" may be an even more offensive ENT episode than "ANiS" since it revolves so heavily around Reed and Major Hayes not liking one another and building to an annoying fistfight that overshadows meeting our very first Sphere Builder.

 

[fireproof78]

TATV was bad because it flat ignores a lot of development from last the episode. Ridiculous.

 

[Eckauskas]

The Inner Light isn’t even in the top 10 TNG episodes.

 

[Mytran]

TATV would have made a better series finale if it had come at the end of Season 2 - which is probably around the time it was written anyway

 

[Turd Ferguson]

I can kinda see what they were trying to go for with These Are The Voyages, even if it was shittily written and executed. I have NO IDEA what the fuck they were going for with Spirit Folk and Fair Haven

 

[Swedish Borg]

Why is it that TOS had to end with "Turnabout Intruder"!! Not only is this a terrible episode to bookend a series with but the penultimate "All Our Yesterdays" was so much better suited for it. The title alone is fitting isn't it? "All Our Yesterdays","ALL Good things..." "What You Leave Behind" "Endgame"...

 

[Vger23]

Why is it that TOS had to end with "Turnabout Intruder"!! Not only is this a terrible episode to bookend a series with but the penultimate "All Our Yesterdays" was so much better suited for it. The title alone is fitting isn't it? "All Our Yesterdays","ALL Good things..." "What You Leave Behind" "Endgame"...

Turnabout Intruder is definitely a miserable way to end.

Shatner barely gets to play Kirk in his last Trek television performance.

 

[Swedish Borg]

Turnabout Intruder is definitely a miserable way to end.

Shatner barely gets to play Kirk in his last Trek television performance.

Well, at least he gets to do the thing he's most famous for... Chewing the scenery!! Because if there is one thing this episode is famous for, it's that.

 

[dupersuper]

"A NIGHT IN SICKBAY", I can grant you because at least it was trying to be different.

But "THESE ARE THE VOYAGES..."?????!!!!!

NO! In every way, just no.

Would it be as hated if it were not the series finale? Possibly, but it was still terrible in many ways. It was an episode that was about a regular from another series! It really had nothing to do with the characters on the actual series it was produced for.

(And I know they have done similar things before, like "LIVING WITNESS", since it didn't really have any of the regulars who were actually there. Even the Doctor was the backup module. But at least that had a great story and message, and it was trying to put right the people of that show who were historically revised as evil.)

Much like Kirks death in Generations doesn't bother me overmuch because I read the novels and know Kirk is alive and well in the 24th century, These are the Voyages doesn't bother me overmuch because I read the novels and know that the version of history we see in the episode is a Section 31 conspiracy to rewrite history that is uncovered by Jake and Nog. I bet Riker was surprised...

 

[Worf factor9]

There are some people on a Star Trek forum who actually like Star Trek, who would have thought?

As the old saying goes, "Everyone has an opinion they are like....everyone has one."

 

[Tim Thomason]

Why is it that TOS had to end with "Turnabout Intruder"!! Not only is this a terrible episode to bookend a series with but the penultimate "All Our Yesterdays" was so much better suited for it. The title alone is fitting isn't it? "All Our Yesterdays","ALL Good things..." "What You Leave Behind" "Endgame"...

And Turnabout Intruder was delayed for over two months from its original airdate in late March until early June, outside of the TV season, so most didn't even watch it when it aired. To many people, All Our Yesterdays was the final episode of TOS and Turnabout Intruder was just an extra episode they offloaded in the summer.

TOS had been saved from cancellation before, almost ending on Assignment: Earth (a worse fate, perhaps, as that was simply a backdoor pilot for Roddenberry's next hoped-for show), so those viewers on March 14th or June 3rd, 1969 had no assurance that this was a series finale, neither did the writers or producers of said episodes know that some fans might swoop in and allow them that final season order or two.

 

[cooleddie74]

TOS's last original episode aired just forty-seven days before Apollo 11 landed on the Moon.

 

[fireproof78]

Much like Kirks death in Generations doesn't bother me overmuch because I read the novels and know Kirk is alive and well in the 24th century, These are the Voyages doesn't bother me overmuch because I read the novels and know that the version of history we see in the episode is a Section 31 conspiracy to rewrite history that is uncovered by Jake and Nog. I bet Riker was surprised...

Or I just selectively edit what I like. I have enjoyed a lot of novels but Kirk being alive and well was...odd to say the least. And his interactions with Picard and Co. even odder.

 

[Swedish Borg]

Or I just selectively edit what I like. I have enjoyed a lot of novels but Kirk being alive and well was...odd to say the least. And his interactions with Picard and Co. even odder.

"Picard and co"? I think he interacted only with Picard, not counting the villain of course.

 

[fireproof78]

"Picard and co"? I think he interacted only with Picard, not counting the villain of course.

This was in the novels, not the films.

 

[FederationHistorian]

"TATV...(ENT)," however, feels like a gigantic betrayal whereas "ANiS(ENT)" at worst comes off as a giant misfire with some cute moments. "Harbinger" may be an even more offensive ENT episode than "ANiS" since it revolves so heavily around Reed and Major Hayes not liking one another and building to an annoying fistfight that overshadows meeting our very first Sphere Builder.

I would not call TATV a gigantic betrayal. But I do feel that literally every single line said in that finale could have been reused and recycled to create something much better.

The irony is that TATV as is could make for a great starting point for a S5, if the right story was written.