Spoilers The Bad Batch - Season 1 Discussion [cue A-Team theme music]

[The Wormhole]

We're on episode 3 and Filoni and Co. already don't know what to do with the actual Bad Batch, so we're treated to what's basically a filler A-plot.

Eh, not sure I agree with that. It seems more like they're spending the time on character development to establish the new dynamic for the Batch. IE, have them get used to being renegades, losing Crosshair and having Omega join them.

I love Tarkin and I think it's time we've seen him interact directly with the Emperor for a change. Did he and Palpatine have any scenes together in TCW? I honestly can't remember.

Good question. I think when Tarkin first showed up, at the end of that story hew as headed off to a meeting with Palpatine, though we don't actually see it. The only time they do share a scene together that I can remember was when Ahsoka was on trial, and even then they don't directly interact.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I think that people keep using the word "filler" without actually knowing what it means.

 

[Mach5]

I think that people keep using the word "filler" without actually knowing what it means.

Episodic content that doesn't propel the overall story forward, usually inserted to fill the running time.

Love your condescension, btw.

 

[Reverend]

One neat detail I just noticed: the blaster bolts for the Crosshair and the new "Elite Troopers" are now red instead of blue. Didn't take Tarkin long to switch to the cheap ammo...

Bit of a side note; I'm wondering if "Project War Mantle" is behind not just the Death troopers (which is where I assume this "Elite" program is going) but also the Dark troopers? Imperial scientist blokey from the Mandalorian did mention that "they're not suits anymore", implying there used to be people inside those things; and according to the lore, Death troopers were heavily "modified". So there could be a missing link between the two in the form of a fully cyborg trooper grafted into power armor.

Episodic content that doesn't propel the overall story forward, usually inserted to fill the running time.

Love your condescension, btw.

So character studies, world building, tone pieces and just plain fun stories are all "filler"? Gotcha!

Love your narrowmindedness and poor grasp of story construction BTW.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Episodic content that doesn't propel the overall story forward, usually inserted to fill the running time.

Love your condescension, btw.

Why thank you. It was deliberate.

 

[Timby]

Love your condescension, btw.

Love your narrowmindedness and poor grasp of story construction BTW.

Why thank you. It was deliberate.

Boys, boys, boys, you're all pretty. Let's settle down and stop with the sniping over a goddamn Star Wars cartoon.

 

[KennyB]

We're on episode 3 and Filoni and Co. already don't know what to do with the actual Bad Batch

I think Dave and Co know exactly what they are doing.......you just don't yet.

 

[Shawnster]

Someone complained earlier (maybe in the other topic) that the inclusion of Saw Gerrera was a product of "small universe syndrome" and that the entire scene was a waste and unnecessary (or substance thereof). While it might still be "small universe syndrome," I like how this week we returned to Onderon as part of Crosshair's story arc. Turns out it wasn't so much a waste as setting up for character development.

Episodic content that doesn't propel the overall story forward, usually inserted to fill the running time.

At only 4 episodes in, how can we determine what is filler that doesn't propel the overall story forward? If it develops the characters, doesn't it propel the story forward?

 

[Jedi_Master]

Episodic content that doesn't propel the overall story forward, usually inserted to fill the running time.

Love your condescension, btw.

It's condescension because your post seemed to equate an episode of a longer running series that focused on the growing personal relationships between characters, relationships that most certainly will play a critical role in episodes to come, as a "filler" - something without substance or valuable purpose.
So you made a subjective judgment purportedly based on an objective definition. What he and others, including myself are pointing out is that there is no objectivity in your comment, just subjectivity.

 

[Mach5]

"filler" - something without substance or valuable purpose.

So, the random energy-sucking animal in a cave storyline?

Look, the character moments were good, but the stuff in between that was definitely inconsequential. Nothing to make a big deal out of, let alone fight over.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Someone complained earlier (maybe in the other topic) that the inclusion of Saw Gerrera was a product of "small universe syndrome" and that the entire scene was a waste and unnecessary (or substance thereof). While it might still be "small universe syndrome," I like how this week we returned to Onderon as part of Crosshair's story arc. Turns out it wasn't so much a waste as setting up for character development.

At this point in time, Saw is Imperial enemy number one. (After any non sixty-sixed Jedi, obviously.) Saw and his forces are the entire Rebellion. It stands to reason the Imps would have their top sniper gunning for him.

 

[Jedi_Master]

At this point in time, Saw is Imperial enemy number one. (After any non sixty-sixed Jedi, obviously.) Saw and his forces are the entire Rebellion. It stands to reason the Imps would have their top sniper gunning for him.

He also represents the ideals of the Republic, which also need to be quickly snuffed out.

From another perspective - the fact that only a small squad that had never worked together was sent to Onderon rather than a legion of the Emperor's best troops illustrates the arrogance both the Empire and it's military feel at that moment in time.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Good question. I think when Tarkin first showed up, at the end of that story hew as headed off to a meeting with Palpatine, though we don't actually see it. The only time they do share a scene together that I can remember was when Ahsoka was on trial, and even then they don't directly interact.

They had a scene together in Revenge of the Sith.

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[YellowSubmarine]

I was always confused at to the timing of that scene, and interpreted it as years after ROTS when watching. Probably post-Bad Batch?

 

[KennyB]

I was always confused at to the timing of that scene, and interpreted it as years after ROTS when watching. Probably post-Bad Batch?

Maybe 5-7 years before Rogue One?

 

[YellowSubmarine]

Rebels: The Honorable Ones would suggest the Death Star was moved from its construction site at 3 BBY, presumably in a much more completed state, so maybe 7-9 years before Rogue One, or 10-12 years after ROTS?

 

[fireproof78]

It would be strange given the context of the scene.

 

[Skywalker]

I think it was definitely meant to occur not too long after the Empire officially started. They'd already had the Death Star plans for three years by that point, it wouldn't surprise me if Palpatine had started its construction in secret as soon as Dooku returned from Geonosis.

 

[CorporalClegg]

My "headcanon" (I hate that word.) has always been that the Geonosians started building the structure of the space station not long after the events of Clones. So it was probably a good bit done by the end of Sith. And probably completely built within five years.

It's the weapons systems that took decades to test and develop.

 

[fireproof78]

the Geonosians started building the structure of the space station not long after the events of Clones. So it was probably a good bit done by the end of Sith. And probably completely built within five years.

It's the weapons systems that took decades to test and develop.

This tracks with my thinking. It's not like Palpatine wouldn't have need for it, and one concept of the war was to bring multiple different resources under direct government control, eventually the Empire. Dooku could easily keep the CIS building up "ultimate weapon" with the stated plan of subduing the Republic while utilizing CIS resources.