What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Amaris]

He was great. I know they wanted Sean Connery, but I can't imagine Connery managing this as well as Laurence did, especially during the McCoy/Father death scene, which is my favorite scene in all the Trek films. If you ever doubted DeForest Kelley could act, that scene would have dismissed all of them.

 

[cooleddie74]

The McCoy's father euthanasia scene is one of the best character development moments in the franchise.

 

[Amaris]

The McCoy's father euthanasia scene is one of the best character development moments in the franchise.

Bill and the cast may have been oil and water outside of Trek, but on the set the man knew what he was doing. I know it will never happen now, but a Directors Edition release would be really awesome. I want to see what Bill had in mind that he couldn't do because of budget, time, and studio meddling.

 

[cooleddie74]

If nothing else I wouldn't mind seeing the f/x be upgraded. Part of the problems with the film come from the inept, lower-budget opticals Shatner and Paramount were forced to go with.

 

[Amaris]

If nothing else I wouldn't mind seeing the f/x be upgraded. Part of the problems with the film come from the inept, lower-budget opticals Shatner and Paramount were forced to go with.

It seems like it was all horrible timing. The Writer strike, the Teamsters truck strike, ILM working full time on several other big blockbusters, those blockbusters coming out around the same time as TFF, the studio demanding Shatner cut more than 20 minutes out of the film, and having Harve Bennett be the one to do it against Shatner's wishes, especially as Bennett felt the film's elements were "too weighty" for the audience. The severe budget cuts for a film that was supposed to be a profitable successor to Star Trek IV. Moving the release from Thanksgiving to a Summer blockbuster.

It was a comedy of errors.

 

[Lord Garth]

I saw TFF in the theater in 1989, before I was a fan. While it didn't make me a fan, I didn't hate it either. Then I became a fan (thanks to seeing TVH on video), and when I watched TFF again, I liked it. That indicates to me that TFF isn't a self-starter, but if you like the characters, you'll like the film.

Or so I thought. Then I saw other people's opinions and thought, "Wait a minute. Was I supposed to hate this?" And so began my first Controversial Star Trek Opinion: "I like Star Trek V."

Fast-forward to 2017. I watch DSC. My thought is, "This is the best Star Trek since DS9 ended! I love it!" Then I come online, see comments, then I think "Wait a minute. Was I supposed to hate this?" And then, to quote Q, "The same old story, all over again!"

But back to TFF. I like the effects too. Sure, they're not ILM, but I think the low budget-ness of it (or the appearance of low budget-ness) gives it some character. It's one of those things where if I have to explain it, you wouldn't understand. Sometimes I prefer that things don't look totally sleek and completely polished.

 

[Jadeb]

I like TFF, but I can recognize its flaws. Which is kind of how I feel about Discovery too.

 

[1001001]

I have said many times, there’s a great movie in there trying to get out.

f/x budget was certainly a problem. Spock and his rocket boots grabbing Kirk by the heels was downright amateurish. Embarrassing.

Still, the heart of the film, “search for God, find the Devil” is pretty cool. There was absolutely no reason for Sybok to be Spock’s half-brother. Otherwise a renegade emotional Vulcan is also pretty cool.

And of course the Big 3 moments which were genuine and beautifully done.

There’s good stuff in there.

 

[StarMan]

Kirk, Spock and McCoy around the camp fire is one of the best moments from TOS movies, IMO.

And the end is still fun, with Kirk very promptly realising things were not adding up with God and his need of a starship.

As Amaris mentioned above, Kelley knocked it out of the ballpark in the scene with his Father.

Also, if it weren't for TFF, we never would've got this catchy vid:

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[tesral]

I think the Borg Queen was a terrible addition. It destroyed the very concept of the hive mind or made it moot at any rate. The pseudo erotism between Data and the BG was not erotic at all, it wasn't anti-erotic either, just ridiculous or embarrassing if you will. Seriously who could be turned on by a being who doesn't have a body? She's just a head and a spine, most of which is in metal!!! Anyway, bad idea, very bad idea!!!

The Borg, as first presented, were not a villain, they were an opponent. No different than a natural disaster. A storm does not have a face. You cannot ponder the motivations of an earthquake.

The Borg Queen was an attempt to put a face on the Borg, a opponent whose very facelessness was part of the nature.

Sooo two paragraphs to agree with you. It was a bad move and cheapened the borg in my eyes. In any case the Borg are right behind Q as my least favorite Trek baddies.

 

[F. King Daniel]

You mean blonde, white people in terrible wigs

You might be thinking of “Code of Honor.” The natives in “Justice” are all Caucasian and blonde.

Apologies, I was sleep-deprived. "Code of Honor" is what I was thinking of. "Justice" was just goofy.

 

[cooleddie74]

"Justice(TNG)" was lazy TOS rehashing. "Code of Honor(TNG)" was just abhorrent.

 

[Farscape One]

The main issue with "Code of Honor" was the casting choices. It's not that bad an episode otherwise, especially considering how early in the series it was produced. TNG has had far worse episodes, like "Sub Rosa", "Shades Of Gray", or "Rascals".

 

[tesral]

The main issue with "Code of Honor" was the casting choices. It's not that bad an episode otherwise, especially considering how early in the series it was produced. TNG has had far worse episodes, like "Sub Rosa", "Shades Of Gray", or "Rascals".

They also have more chances to make them. TOS; 79, TNG; 178. It would be better to count awful eppisodes per capa.

 

[1001001]

The main issue with "Code of Honor" was the casting choices. It's not that bad an episode otherwise, especially considering how early in the series it was produced. TNG has had far worse episodes, like "Sub Rosa", "Shades Of Gray", or "Rascals".

I loved Rascals!

Directed by Adam Nimoy, you know.

 

[Farscape One]

I know, it was the first of two he directed... "Timescape" being the other one.

The one good thing I can say about "Rascals" was they cast the kid versions if each of them perfectly.

But the flagship Federation getting taken over by Ferengi with two outdated Klingon Birds of Prey? This episode is unforgiveable in how INCOMPETANT it made the crew look.

That never would have happened to Spock, Kira or even Chakotay. (I'm using XOs as the barometer for this one, since this happened on Riker's watch.)

 

[FormerLurker]

or in the episode Best of both Worlds, they chose Picard the captain and Crusher a doctor far past her youth to do a mission that should be done by someone more expendable or some commando unit..

I don't think that was Best of Both Worlds.

 

[cooleddie74]

Although Beverly is only 45 at the time of the commando mission. McCoy is 60 when Kirk has him come along on the hostage rescue raid on Nimbus III.

 

[Farscape One]

At least on Nimbus III, there's a legitimate reason to have a doctor of McCoy's experience on the team given they were dealing with potential injuries of ambassadors from high profile foreign governments.

 

[Swedish Borg]

always thought it was ridiculous when beaming down to a planet the landing party would be nearly every senior officer.....no landing party trained in this procedure etc

or in the 2 parter chain of command, they chose Picard the captain and Crusher a doctor far past her youth to do a mission that should be done by someone more expendable or some commando unit..

yes we know its a tv show, but still

How about Sisko and three of his most senior officers going on a geological survey deep in the Gamma Quadrant (that means that there are four major positions that are occupied by replacements on the station!!!)?

You'd think that's that the sort of thing low-ranking officers are for!!!