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Wouldn't all three just be hologram/programs that became self aware?

And how do we know if it is really self aware, or just a complicated program simulating how one would act and what choices one would make under the parameters that it was self aware?
 
Wouldn't all three just be hologram/programs that became self aware?

And how do we know if it is really self aware, or just a complicated program simulating how one would act and what choices one would make under the parameters that it was self aware?

Moriarty was self aware because it was accidentally programmed with knowledge similar to Data. But, it’s core personality was that of a Victorian gentleman villain and sociopath. So it had a conflict of understanding which meant it viewed everything through that lens. The Enterprise itself became somewhat self aware, again through the hilodeck systems, possibly due to the Bynar programming way back when.

The Doctor was a tool that basically gained full awareness through basically being left running so long that his personality grew (and modifications made by Kim and Torres) even though he knew what he ‘was’ to begin with. Kes started him on that path. It’s also possibly related to Voyagers computer being part organic, which was experimental.

Vic was one hundred percent programmed to be self aware, and it’s maybe a side effect of his general personality (which may be programmed, or may, like Data, be a side effect of ‘natural growth’) that he was happy with his position in that knowledge. Basically, ‘Ok, I’m a lightbulb, but I’m a lightbulb who wants for nothing and is having a great time, so what does it matter’.

By definition, all of them are self aware: they know they are holograms running in a simulation. Only Moriarty had to deal with this as any kind of shocking revelation and a moment of ‘becoming’.

The Doctor did have revelation and growth, once he (or his program) thought about it.

Vic, always knew, and was always intended to be as is.

They actually sort of mirror the Soong boys. Only not as intensely.
 
Moriarty was self aware because it was accidentally programmed with knowledge similar to Data. But, it’s core personality was that of a Victorian gentleman villain and sociopath. So it had a conflict of understanding which meant it viewed everything through that lens. The Enterprise itself became somewhat self aware, again through the hilodeck systems, possibly due to the Bynar programming way back when.

The Doctor was a tool that basically gained full awareness through basically being left running so long that his personality grew (and modifications made by Kim and Torres) even though he knew what he ‘was’ to begin with. Kes started him on that path. It’s also possibly related to Voyagers computer being part organic, which was experimental.

Vic was one hundred percent programmed to be self aware, and it’s maybe a side effect of his general personality (which may be programmed, or may, like Data, be a side effect of ‘natural growth’) that he was happy with his position in that knowledge. Basically, ‘Ok, I’m a lightbulb, but I’m a lightbulb who wants for nothing and is having a great time, so what does it matter’.

By definition, all of them are self aware: they know they are holograms running in a simulation. Only Moriarty had to deal with this as any kind of shocking revelation and a moment of ‘becoming’.

The Doctor did have revelation and growth, once he (or his program) thought about it.

Vic, always knew, and was always intended to be as is.

They actually sort of mirror the Soong boys. Only not as intensely.

You know, I never considered that the bioneural circuitry could be a factor in the Doctor becoming so self-aware. It's actually a good thought, in addition to his being on so long, why he had so much growth.
 
"The Thaw(VOY)" is the most TOS-like episode of any Trek series since Season 1 of TNG if you don't count "Trials and Tribbleations(DS9)" and "In A Mirror Darkly, Parts I an II(ENT)." Janeway basically Kirk-talks a sentient clown program into shutting itself off.

Not a fan of VOY, but I may just have to check this out.
 
"The Thaw(VOY)" is the most TOS-like episode of any Trek series since Season 1 of TNG if you don't count "Trials and Tribbleations(DS9)" and "In A Mirror Darkly, Parts I an II(ENT)." Janeway basically Kirk-talks a sentient clown program into shutting itself off.

It’s the one I had in mind.
 
Wouldn't all three just be hologram/programs that became self aware?

And how do we know if it is really self aware, or just a complicated program simulating how one would act and what choices one would make under the parameters that it was self aware?

The question being, when is a simulation, no longer a simulation?
 
The question being, when is a simulation, no longer a simulation?

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