What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Damian]

With all the chatter around the new teasers I have run up against some new ones for me:
-Time travel is overused in Star Trek and doesn't add anything to a story.
-City on the Edge of Forever is not the greatest Trek episode ever, or even in my top ten. It is a rather depressing, if well acted, piece of fiction.
-Q is not enjoyable. Not in TNG, not in DS9, not VOY.
-Canon status does not equal enjoyable.

Agree about time travel. It has its moments, but it's definitely overused.

I also agree about "The City On the Edge of Forever". I liked it, it's definitely in the upper half of the original series as far as quality. But the best? Nah. I'll take "The Doomsday Machine" or "Journey to Babel" any day. My favorite of the 1st season was actually "The Menagerie".

And I suppose it might be a controversial opinion...I liked "The Alternative Factor" even though I realize the premise is a bit outlandish. And I always liked season 3.

Can't agree about Q though overall, LOL. There are Q episodes I didn't care for as much though. The DS9 episode he was in was a bit weak and I wasn't a big fan of his Voyager episodes, except maybe the first one where that other Q wanted to be mortal so he could die (sorry, can't remember all the episodes off hand).

Definitely agree about canon status though. Fans obsess over that way too much (and sometimes I think they are confusing canon with continuity). I just noted on another thread that I really enjoyed the relaunch novelverse, and because I've followed that continuity for the last 20+ years I've grown to actually see that as the 'prime' universe and Picard as an alternate universe, even though I know that is not at all 'canon.'

 

[Mudd]

COTEOF is definitely the best.

 

[cooleddie74]

I think an article once described the Season 3 tunics as rayon but I could be mistaken. I just know the shirts had a much more expensive-looking sheen and were sewn better. A shame they got their best wardrobe as the series was headed off the air.

 

[cooleddie74]

Trek by definition relies heavily on its nostalgia and every series leans on actors from other shows and the films to drive up interest in the newest incarnation. At least this time around they introduced Seven of Nine in the first season and didn't wait until two or three years in to add a cast member from another series to the lineup.

 

[RAMA]

Picard is better than Kirk....

Oh that's so 1980s

 

[fireproof78]

Agree about time travel. It has its moments, but it's definitely overused.

I also agree about "The City On the Edge of Forever". I liked it, it's definitely in the upper half of the original series as far as quality. But the best? Nah. I'll take "The Doomsday Machine" or "Journey to Babel" any day. My favorite of the 1st season was actually "The Menagerie".

And I suppose it might be a controversial opinion...I liked "The Alternative Factor" even though I realize the premise is a bit outlandish. And I always liked season 3.

Can't agree about Q though overall, LOL. There are Q episodes I didn't care for as much though. The DS9 episode he was in was a bit weak and I wasn't a big fan of his Voyager episodes, except maybe the first one where that other Q wanted to be mortal so he could die (sorry, can't remember all the episodes off hand).

Definitely agree about canon status though. Fans obsess over that way too much (and sometimes I think they are confusing canon with continuity). I just noted on another thread that I really enjoyed the relaunch novelverse, and because I've followed that continuity for the last 20+ years I've grown to actually see that as the 'prime' universe and Picard as an alternate universe, even though I know that is not at all 'canon.'

Yeah, City definitely has its moments but I can't rank it in the top ten for me. And Alternative Factor is definitely one I enjoy.

Speaking of trying to make the top ten Q struggles with me. "Death Wish" is interesting largely because it explores the nature of humanity. Q struggles with that. He claims superiority, but obsessives over human kind. It is weird and incongruent in a way that stands out.

As far as canon, I don't give a torn dollar bill what universe it is, aside from the Kelvin Universe. I think there are plenty of books, comics and RPGs that add just as much as anything that is official. Largely because it's all meant to be fun, enjoyable and engaging the imagination.

 

[cooleddie74]

"Death Wish(VOY)" may be the greatest Q Continuum episode ever. Period.

 

[1001001]

Q and Guinan...these are both very important people in Picard’s life.

I say it would be more weird if they didn’t show up.

 

[Tenacity]

I say it would be more weird if they didn’t show up.

And were married.

 

[dupersuper]

Macgyver was good until late, when it (1) got preachy about guns.

I can only remember one episode dealing with it directly off-hand...

I was a fan of most of Season 1 and this does nothing but excite me. We're getting Guinan and Q in the same season. There's nothing about that I don't like.

I'd like it more if they were in the animated shows. The actors are a lot more mortal than the characters...

"Death Wish(VOY)" may be the greatest Q Continuum episode ever. Period.

If only Voyager had stopped there.

Q and Guinan...these are both very important people in Picard’s life.

I say it would be more weird if they didn’t show up.

Yet still no Beverly.

 

[Coops]

What some people dislike about modern Trek is sometimes what they dislike about the modern world...

 

[at Quark's]

If only Voyager had stopped there.

True. Then again, I think the notion of Q episodes sliding down the quality scale as Voyager progressed is hardly controversial ...

 

[dupersuper]

What some people dislike about modern Trek is sometimes what they dislike about the modern world...

That's certainly true of much of my dislike of Picard.

 

[Bornin1980something]

-City on the Edge of Forever is not the greatest Trek episode ever, or even in my top ten. It is a rather depressing, if well acted, piece of fiction.

I guess you don't like Harlan Ellison. He certainly doesn't strike me as a Star Trek type.

 

[plynch]

I hate Q. It's b/c of the oily voice of Delancey. Maybe he'll have completely changed, like 7 into a Fenriss Ranger.

TOS unis is one of my favorite topics. I usually refer to them as S3 polys, as I usually have encountered them referred to as polyester. The velours were great when new. I've seen some polys in person -- under museum lighting, command was def a chartreuse: "yellow-green" in crayola parlance and they photographed greener (correctly) than the velours. Sometimes Spock's seems a little too long. Looks like when my mom would hem my scout pants.

Not controversial, I prefer the velours, but not by much.

 

[Damian]

Q and Guinan...these are both very important people in Picard’s life.

I say it would be more weird if they didn’t show up.

Speaking of that I just watched "Q, Who?" last week and I can't help but wonder what happened between Q and Guinan specifically. They both reacted very badly to one another and that was one of the mysteries of TNG that was never really explained. I had always hoped some future episode would have revealed what their earlier encounter was all about.

 

[Vger23]

Speaking of that I just watched "Q, Who?" last week and I can't help but wonder what happened between Q and Guinan specifically. They both reacted very badly to one another and that was one of the mysteries of TNG that was never really explained. I had always hoped some future episode would have revealed what their earlier encounter was all about.

It's almost like they were setting up Guinan's people to be powerful and mysterious like Q...and later we learn (through GEN) that this isn't true at all.

Dropped thread, I guess...?

 

[Oddish]

Q's presence in "Picard" will be very interesting. He's best as a comic character, so either PIC will have to pick up a lighter tone, or Q will have to get very doom and gloom.

 

[1001001]

It's almost like they were setting up Guinan's people to be powerful and mysterious like Q...and later we learn (through GEN) that this isn't true at all.

Dropped thread, I guess...?

 

[Damian]

It's almost like they were setting up Guinan's people to be powerful and mysterious like Q...and later we learn (through GEN) that this isn't true at all.

Dropped thread, I guess...?

Yeah, it's something I always wondered about. It's like they were setting something up for a future episode but it sort of petered out.