What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Oddish]

Counselors may be neurotic, but they have to be able to seem sane. With eight previous personalities bouncing around in her head, that was a bit much for Ezri.

Given proper Trill training, or ten years coming to terms with Dax and the other hosts, Ezri was/would have been probably a better counselor than ever.

 

[Coops]

Speaking of...

The DSC Mudd episodes were way better than the TOS ones.

Beat me to it, I was going to say Rainn Wilson made for a great Harry Mudd.

 

[Farscape One]

I think this controversial.

I think the first season of VOYAGER is the most solid of all the spinoffs. And this is from someone who calls DS9 my favorite and best of all the shows. I will point out that I am including the 4 holdovers... "PROJECTIONS", "ELOGIUM", "TWISTED", and "THE 37's". I think it was a mistake on UPN's part to do this, though I understand why they did so. "PROJECTIONS" alone helps elevate season 1.

In fact, for the first time in all my rewatches, I will be watching season 1 exactly as produced. I was telling my wife about UPN and this issue and I feel that for her to get the best experience, this is the route to go. Plus, this way we are doing this as a first time for both of us.

(Had DS9 not relied on borrowing TNG elements and writing tropes during their first season, it would have edged out VOYAGER's.)

 

[Farscape One]

Beat me to it, I was going to say Rainn Wilson made for a great Harry Mudd.

I have to agree about Rainn Wilson. I was surprised at how good he was as Mudd. When I first heard about his casting, it was hard for me to imagine him as someone other than Dwight Schrute. But he definitely made it work.

Now I wonder if he will encounter Captain Pike...

 

[Coops]

I have to agree about Rainn Wilson. I was surprised at how good he was as Mudd. When I first heard about his casting, it was hard for me to imagine him as someone other than Dwight Schrute. But he definitely made it work.

Now I wonder if he will encounter Captain Mose...

Fixed that for you

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Speaking of...

The DSC Mudd episodes were way better than the TOS ones.

I thought the Mudd Short Trek, "The Escape Artist," was the best of the four S1 Short Treks by a wide margin.

 

[ozzfloyd]

Fixed that for you

Him and Mose own the Beet Planet.

 

[Lord Garth]

My interest in the 24th Century currently only really goes to the extent of "Which specific parts of it tie into Picard?"

 

[Nyotarules]

I just watched a few Trek fan productions on Youtube....there are no words

 

[Sarxus]

Controversial Star Trek opinions? Alright, I'll have a blast now ^^

-Star Trek: Generations is the best ST movie of all (ok, I'm not sure if this comes off that controversial, but at least I have hardly met anyone so far sharing that point of view).

-Star Trek: The Final Frontier might not be the greatest ST movie, it's not even among the best ones, BUT it's actually far from being bad.

-The seemingly common believe that every first season of the old ST shows was bad is nonsense. TNG season 1 for example has already so many little gems, it's actually awesome even though the real classic episodes came mostly with the later seasons.

-Speaking of TNG season 1: "Justice" is a very good ST episode. The setpieces and costumes might look awkward, but I see that as an intended way of exaggerating and presenting the so-called paradise planet and its inhabitants in a satirical way. Besides, this presentation comes with a whole lot of TOS vibes. And the episode's plot and its final message are pure ST from the book.

-Wesley Crusher is not THAT bad. He's far from being my favorite TNG character, but I never found him really annoying whatsoever and some episodes centred around him are actually quite strong (for example "Coming of Age", "Final Mission" or "Journey's End").

-Sisko's actions and decisions in "In the Pale Moonlight" were right or at least reasonable in some way. From a moral and ethic point of view it was absolutely wrong, but at least you can actually understand why he did what he did and why he considered it necessary. He chose pragmatism and the need of the Romulans as allies over the moral code of the federation, and Garak only completed what he started, going the last steps Sisko himself probably wouldn't have gone.

-ENT is an underrated show. I started watching it right after having watched TOS and throughout the first two seasons it actually felt like watching a modern version of TOS. Most episodes are very ST-like and whereas ENT is not one of the best ST shows, it definitely earns its place among them.

-DIS is not unfitting as an ST show. It looks completely different than in the 60s, 80s and 90s (who would have thought?) and it follows a different approach than the classic shows (a serial instead of an episodic format), but all in all it definitely incorporates classic ST values and treats them well.

-Despite looking completely different than TOS which is set only about ten years later, DIS takes place in the Prime timeline, not the Kelvin timeline.

 

[Vger23]

Controversial Star Trek opinions? Alright, I'll have a blast now ^^

I love it! I'll play!

-Star Trek: Generations is the best ST movie of all (ok, I'm not sure if this comes off that controversial, but at least I have hardly met anyone so far sharing that point of view).

I like GEN, relatively speaking, compared to the preponderance of all available entertainment options. I think it's unfairly maligned amongst Trek fans as well. That said, I put in in the bottom 1/4 of Star Trek films...so I can't agree that it's the "best" overall one. Even the writers, in retrospect, cringe at some of the storytelling choices and plot contrivances the film depends on.

-Star Trek: The Final Frontier might not be the greatest ST movie, it's not even among the best ones, BUT it's actually far from being bad.

I agree wholeheartedly.

-The seemingly common believe that every first season of the old ST shows was bad is nonsense. TNG season 1 for example has already so many little gems, it's actually awesome even though the real classic episodes came mostly with the later seasons.

I agree on TNG S1. It is flawed and sophomoric in many places...but it's also wildly enjoyable in a way that the later, more polished and settled seasons of the series were not. That said, I find S1 of DS9 and ENT to be pretty bad, despite both of those shows having very good pilot episodes.

-Speaking of TNG season 1: "Justice" is a very good ST episode. The setpieces and costumes might look awkward, but I see that as an intended way of exaggerating and presenting the so-called paradise planet and its inhabitants in a satirical way. Besides, this presentation comes with a whole lot of TOS vibes. And the episode's plot and its final message are pure ST from the book.

I would say it's "good"....but I would not call it "very good." I think there's some interesting, classic Star Trek in "Justice."

-Wesley Crusher is not THAT bad. He's far from being my favorite TNG character, but I never found him really annoying whatsoever and some episodes centred around him are actually quite strong (for example "Coming of Age", "Final Mission" or "Journey's End").

I agree. The hate this character has received is unwarranted, in my opinion.

-Sisko's actions and decisions in "In the Pale Moonlight" were right or at least reasonable in some way. From a moral and ethic point of view it was absolutely wrong, but at least you can actually understand why he did what he did and why he considered it necessary. He chose pragmatism and the need of the Romulans as allies over the moral code of the federation, and Garak only completed what he started, going the last steps Sisko himself probably wouldn't have gone.

Great episode. Solidified Sisko as a man that could compete with Kirk as the "best captain" in the franchise. He doesn't get there or surpass him...but he closed the gap on the strength of this excellent episode.

-ENT is an underrated show. I started watching it right after having watched TOS and throughout the first two seasons it actually felt like watching a modern version of TOS. Most episodes are very ST-like and whereas ENT is not one of the best ST shows, it definitely earns its place among them.

I agree. I watched ENT all the way through two years ago (I didn't watch much of it when it premiered) and I found it largely entertaining and interesting.

-DIS is not unfitting as an ST show. It looks completely different than in the 60s, 80s and 90s (who would have thought?) and it follows a different approach than the classic shows (a serial instead of an episodic format), but all in all it definitely incorporates classic ST values and treats them well.

I agree wholeheartedly. It is NOT without it's flaws and warts...but it's one of my top-3 Trek series.

-Despite looking completely different than TOS which is set only about ten years later, DIS takes place in the Prime timeline, not the Kelvin timeline.

I totally agree. People can believe what they want (hey, I got a bunch of flack for saying I don't believe the events in the animated Lower Decks are to be taken seriously/literally), but we can be certian that the intent is that this takes place in continuity with the prime timeline.

 

[Farscape One]

Controversial Star Trek opinions? Alright, I'll have a blast now ^^

-Star Trek: Generations is the best ST movie of all (ok, I'm not sure if this comes off that controversial, but at least I have hardly met anyone so far sharing that point of view).

-Star Trek: The Final Frontier might not be the greatest ST movie, it's not even among the best ones, BUT it's actually far from being bad.

-The seemingly common believe that every first season of the old ST shows was bad is nonsense. TNG season 1 for example has already so many little gems, it's actually awesome even though the real classic episodes came mostly with the later seasons.

-Speaking of TNG season 1: "Justice" is a very good ST episode. The setpieces and costumes might look awkward, but I see that as an intended way of exaggerating and presenting the so-called paradise planet and its inhabitants in a satirical way. Besides, this presentation comes with a whole lot of TOS vibes. And the episode's plot and its final message are pure ST from the book.

-Wesley Crusher is not THAT bad. He's far from being my favorite TNG character, but I never found him really annoying whatsoever and some episodes centred around him are actually quite strong (for example "Coming of Age", "Final Mission" or "Journey's End").

-Sisko's actions and decisions in "In the Pale Moonlight" were right or at least reasonable in some way. From a moral and ethic point of view it was absolutely wrong, but at least you can actually understand why he did what he did and why he considered it necessary. He chose pragmatism and the need of the Romulans as allies over the moral code of the federation, and Garak only completed what he started, going the last steps Sisko himself probably wouldn't have gone.

-ENT is an underrated show. I started watching it right after having watched TOS and throughout the first two seasons it actually felt like watching a modern version of TOS. Most episodes are very ST-like and whereas ENT is not one of the best ST shows, it definitely earns its place among them.

-DIS is not unfitting as an ST show. It looks completely different than in the 60s, 80s and 90s (who would have thought?) and it follows a different approach than the classic shows (a serial instead of an episodic format), but all in all it definitely incorporates classic ST values and treats them well.

-Despite looking completely different than TOS which is set only about ten years later, DIS takes place in the Prime timeline, not the Kelvin timeline.

In order of your points...

1. My wife would agree with you, though she has only seen the TNG ones. (I, however, do not agree.)

2. I will agree that the movie does have some great character beats, and might be the closest in spirit to TOS.

3. I don't know about awesome, but TNG season 1 is definitely better than what most people think. I also believe the same is true of DS9 and VOYAGER... in fact, despite DS9 being my favorite series, I would put VOYAGER season 1 as the most solid freshman season of the franchise since TOS. (Especially when you view the 4 holdover episodes as part of season 1 like intended.)

4. I wouldn't call "Justice" very good, but it definitely has TOS vibes, and has a few good messages in it.

5. I agree with you about Wesley, though not about "Journey's End".

6. I completely agree with you.

7. Definitely underrated series overall.

8. Yes, but it definitely had more growing pains than most other spinoffs. However, it has earned itself the STAR TREK name.

9. I agree.

 

[Lord Garth]

Star Trek: Generations is the best ST movie of all (ok, I'm not sure if this comes off that controversial, but at least I have hardly met anyone so far sharing that point of view).

These days? I don't personally know anyone who thinks that.

But there was a window from 1994-1996 where a lot of people I knew thought Generations was the best Star Trek movie. But that's because TNG was the only Star Trek they liked. Then First Contact came out and you can figure out the rest.

 

[Vger23]

for every fan production like Axanar , there is twice as many clusterfucks.

Axanar wasn't a clusterfuck? I don't think I even truly knew what a clusterfuck WAS until the Axanar debacle took place. It's literally in the dictionary next to the word "clusterfuck."

I REALLY don't want to turn this into a thread with 34 subsequent pages devoted to this tired old subject (as it is clearly off-topic)....but I couldn't resist a jovial little jab at this statement's expense.

 

[cooleddie74]

TMP is better than any of the Kelvin Timeline films. And I deeply, genuinely like two of them.

 

[fireproof78]

Axanar wasn't a clusterfuck? I don't think I even truly knew what a clusterfuck WAS until the Axanar debacle took place. It's literally in the dictionary next to the word "clusterfuck."

I had but that was only after researching Vietnam tunnel warfare and leadership lessons. But Axanar is a close second

 

[1001001]

I had but that was only after researching Vietnam tunnel warfare and leadership lessons. But Axanar is a close second

Completely off-topic: I once treated a "tunnel rat". Guy was messed up.

Clusterfuck doesn't even begin to cover it.

As for Axanar, that was more like a... well, never mind.

 

[cooleddie74]

Coffee scam.

 

[Vger23]

you completely misunderstood me.
Axanar is a clusterfuck in countless ways, but in terms of what was produced in the 20 mins clip of Prelude to Axanar. the production value, graphics etc, it was decent.
If you stumbled upon prelude to Axanar I think most would have been impressed, the back story is a separate issue.

I figured that's precisely where you were coming from...but the temptation to be a dink (strictly for humor's sake) was too overwhelming for me to ignore it!

 

[Vger23]

TMP is better than any of the Kelvin Timeline films. And I deeply, genuinely like two of them.

TMP has been, and always shall be, polarizing

But, the last decade I have grown to truly appreciate it as a Star Trek film and as a work of extremely well-crafted science fiction film making.

That's a long way of saying "I really like it too," and I also rate it higher than the Kelvinfilms, despite my affection for them.