What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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It's not my favorite season of DS9 but it has a lot of episodes I like or love.
Here's my controversial bit: bringing in Ezri was a crap decision. Here's why:
1. Her presence made no sense in the given context. As a counselor, she was actually more neurotic than anyone else on the station.
2. It cheapened Jadzia's death by basically "bringing her back", almost as if nothing ever happened.
3. It burned a lot of S7 episodes that could have been devoted to the climax of the Dominion war.
4. Ezri/Bashir = crap ship. Ezri/Worf = no better.
1. Her presence made no sense in the given context. As a counselor, she was actually more neurotic than anyone else on the station.
2. It cheapened Jadzia's death by basically "bringing her back", almost as if nothing ever happened.
3. It burned a lot of S7 episodes that could have been devoted to the climax of the Dominion war.
4. Ezri/Bashir = crap ship. Ezri/Worf = no better.
Ezri > Jadzia. Probably controversial.
Not for fans who have taste. 
Q was right about humanity. Why? Because Sisko and Starfleet tricked the Romulans into becoming allies with the Federation during the Dominion War with lies and murder. That was a very evil thing to do and I'm surprised the Q continuum didn't decide to end humanity right then and there after that dirty move.
I don't think Sisko is a hero, at all. He's a monster.
I don't think Sisko is a hero, at all. He's a monster.
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One also wonders what would have happened if the Romulans had found out what Sisko pulled on them.
Also, speaking of Romulans... back in "Shadows and Symbols", why SHOULDN'T the Romulans have put weapons at their field hospital? Did they actually trust the Bajorans, a race who spent 60 years getting prison-banged by the Cardassians, to be able to protect them? I sure wouldn't.
Also, speaking of Romulans... back in "Shadows and Symbols", why SHOULDN'T the Romulans have put weapons at their field hospital? Did they actually trust the Bajorans, a race who spent 60 years getting prison-banged by the Cardassians, to be able to protect them? I sure wouldn't.
I remember a novel (I never got around to reading it so I forgot the name) where the Romulans found out many years after the Dominion War ended, and then went to war with the Federation. Blood was on Sisko's hands for sure. Of course, it was non-canon but I can imagine the Romulans doing the same thing in canon if they ever found out.
I think Season 2 and Seasons 4-7 of DS9 are all roughly on par with each other. Season 3 is a slight dip and Season 1 is the weakest of that series. But I think the best concentration of episodes for Season 7 is the opening stretch and The Final Chapter. It kind of sags in the middle.
Yes it's officially "prime universe" and that's not going to change BUT,
Discovery (and Strange New Worlds) are a 23rd century reboot. Repeated, deliberate "reimaginings" of everything from Klingons (yes they gave them hair but come on, where were the exoskeletons on any previous Klingon?) to Le'matya (a cat to a giant spider monster??) to Colt being a spiky blue alien instead of a human (???). Technology upgraded to Nemesis-level stuff from Discovery episode one (atmospheric forcefields vs TOS a decade later, having to decompress the shuttlebay to bring people aboard) isn't fixed by promising not to use holographic communications again.
Fans bend over backwards to explain how some differences "don't count" because "they weren't named on screen" and "behind-the-scenes stuff isn't canon", seemingly not realising that the people who approved those are going to keep approving more changes just like them and that they're already at a point of doublethink mentally rewriting episodes in their heads to try and reconcile it all. You think they refitted, unrefitted and then re-refitted the classic Enterprise so it looks how it did in "The Cage", Short Treks, Disco S2 then TOS? Yikes. It's Fox X-Men movie level continuity.
That said I'm enjoying it very much for what it is
Discovery (and Strange New Worlds) are a 23rd century reboot. Repeated, deliberate "reimaginings" of everything from Klingons (yes they gave them hair but come on, where were the exoskeletons on any previous Klingon?) to Le'matya (a cat to a giant spider monster??) to Colt being a spiky blue alien instead of a human (???). Technology upgraded to Nemesis-level stuff from Discovery episode one (atmospheric forcefields vs TOS a decade later, having to decompress the shuttlebay to bring people aboard) isn't fixed by promising not to use holographic communications again.
Fans bend over backwards to explain how some differences "don't count" because "they weren't named on screen" and "behind-the-scenes stuff isn't canon", seemingly not realising that the people who approved those are going to keep approving more changes just like them and that they're already at a point of doublethink mentally rewriting episodes in their heads to try and reconcile it all. You think they refitted, unrefitted and then re-refitted the classic Enterprise so it looks how it did in "The Cage", Short Treks, Disco S2 then TOS? Yikes. It's Fox X-Men movie level continuity.
That said I'm enjoying it very much for what it is
Trying to mentally wrestle the visual style of DSC into the same universe as TOS is not something I would have enjoyed, but luckily this was made a moot point when the reimagined Enterprise flew into shot at the end of S1, further supported by flashbacks to The Cage in S2Yes it's officially "prime universe" and that's not going to change BUT,
Discovery (and Strange New Worlds) are a 23rd century reboot. Repeated, deliberate "reimaginings" of everything from Klingons (yes they gave them hair but come on, where were the exoskeletons on any previous Klingon?) to Le'matya (a cat to a giant spider monster??) to Colt being a spiky blue alien instead of a human (???). Technology upgraded to Nemesis-level stuff from Discovery episode one (atmospheric forcefields vs TOS a decade later, having to decompress the shuttlebay to bring people aboard) isn't fixed by promising not to use holographic communications again.
Fans bend over backwards to explain how some differences "don't count" because "they weren't named on screen" and "behind-the-scenes stuff isn't canon", seemingly not realising that the people who approved those are going to keep approving more changes just like them and that they're already at a point of doublethink mentally rewriting episodes in their heads to try and reconcile it all. You think they refitted, unrefitted and then re-refitted the classic Enterprise so it looks how it did in "The Cage", Short Treks, Disco S2 then TOS? Yikes. It's Fox X-Men movie level continuity.
That said I'm enjoying it very much for what it is
So now I'm able to treat DSC as a straight up visual reboot and just watch the show on its own terms (even sometimes enjoy it!)
This isn't exactly controversial, but did ANY Trek series put on its strongest showing in the first season?
TOS did, first two anyway. And Lower Decks and Picard have each only had one season, so we don't know how they're going to evolve. But TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, and DSC have all had growing pains early on.
TOS did, first two anyway. And Lower Decks and Picard have each only had one season, so we don't know how they're going to evolve. But TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, and DSC have all had growing pains early on.
TAS S1 > TAS S2, but that's not really controversial. S2 had only 6 episodes, while S1 had 16, including what are generally thought of as the best TAS had to offer. When it comes to S2, in my experience "Albatross" is the one that gets praised most often. S1 has "Yesteryear" and other (relatively) strong ones.
"Mudd's Women(TOS)" is the better episode compared to "I, Mudd(TOS)." I know the latter had a bigger budget and more interesting sets and the entire crew got to engage with Harry but the first episode has the stronger story and is a more atmospheric and interesting episode. Those earliest scripts penned by Roddenberry were more often than not pretty good.
Have you met counselors?
Probably controversial but I still agree with it.
Yup. And I've seen that since TNG and TMP. So I don't see this changing any time soon.
Is it a visual reboot? If that term floats your boat then go for it. Honestly, they don't have to fit perfectly together, and if things change then it gets chalked up to artistic interpretation. Otherwise I wouldn't count TMP as the same continuity as TOS.
Oh, wait...I don't
I pretty much agree with this, except that I'd add Season 3 to the list and have Season 2 join Season 1 as the rougher batch. Season 2 has a terrific enough end stretch to rank a good bit higher than 1, but it also has a middle that really does the rest a disservice, IMO.
There's a lot of fun and quotability from "I, Mudd," but overall I agree, the mail-order bride episode is better, despite the absurdity of the premise and the reveal that just by believing in themselves the women can literally make themselves appear as if they're using the Venus drug.
And now for the controversy: I like "Mudd's Passion" at least as well as "I, Mudd." The planet with the rock creatures is basically very exciting and dramatic, although it's undermined by a drawn-out exposition sequence for which the creatures stand at bay while Spock explains what's going on. The crew antics are amusing, as is the irony that the aftereffects of this love drug are hours of hatred.
Have, man has a point.
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