News The Falcon and the Winter Soldier Updates

[The Nth Doctor]

Seeing again that conversation about them not being teammates and that politician (president?) speechifying about America needing protection made me think about the status of the Avengers. Hopefully that's something that is directly addressed during the show and more than a throwaway comment.

Several are dead (or publicly told that they are dead) while others are retired or on the run. That leaves Hulk, Falcon, and War Machine among those who were officially members (plus Thor but he's off planet again and technically Spider-Man vis-à-vis Tony pre-Snap). Are they still Avengers? What about other potential members such as Ant-Man, Wasp, and Spider-Man (on a more official basis)? I imagine Dr. Strange, Black Panther, and Captain Marvel are all busy dealing with larger matters and aren't really in consideration until the next existential threat.

For that matter, what was the status of the Avengers during the five-year gap? Did the Sokovia Accords decide to disband them because they failed to stop Thanos? Were the operations that Natasha ran with Rhodey, Carol, Rocket, Nebula, and Okoye some unofficial form of the Avengers during that time?

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Seeing again that conversation about them not being teammates and that politician (president?) speechifying about America needing protection made me think about the status of the Avengers. Hopefully that's something that is directly addressed during the show and more than a throwaway comment.

The whereabouts and/or status of the Avengers is a major issue that should be addressed, and if we learn most of the members are now retired, AWOL or choosing to work independently, I would like to see the "why and how" behind it all.

 

[Turtletrekker]

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[The Nth Doctor]

Good to see Erin Kellyman getting a lot of screen time. I really enjoyed her brief performance in Solo.

 

[JD]

Does Flag Smasher have superpowers in the comics? Some of the stuff they showed her and/or her people doing looked like it was more than a normal person could do. Especially the jump on the back of the truck, that look like pretty high.

 

[Anwar]

Does Flag Smasher have superpowers in the comics? Some of the stuff they showed her and/or her people doing looked like it was more than a normal person could do. Especially the jump on the back of the truck, that look like pretty high.

No, the Flag Smasher in the comics had all kinds of advanced tech but no real superpowers of his own. Like an electric mace, a strength absorbing exoframe, etc.

What I'm really wondering if why they refuse to show us anything about John Walker in this. We keep seeing those same shots of him at that Rally but that's it.

Are they gonna have him get killed in the first episode as some twist ending?

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I don't know anything about Flag Smasher but another thought occurred to me: Considering Erin Kellyman's youth (she was born in October 1998), I wonder if her character was forced to grow up quickly during the five-year gap and he feels irrational resentment towards people like Sam and Bucky who were dead during that harsh period of time. Maybe I'm completely off the mark but can't help wondering...

 

[Jayson1]

No, the Flag Smasher in the comics had all kinds of advanced tech but no real superpowers of his own. Like an electric mace, a strength absorbing exoframe, etc.

What I'm really wondering if why they refuse to show us anything about John Walker in this. We keep seeing those same shots of him at that Rally but that's it.

Are they gonna have him get killed in the first episode as some twist ending?

I think they want to hide him being good or bad. I think I heard he has been both at times in the comic books. Jason

 

[Anwar]

I think they want to hide him being good or bad. I think I heard he has been both at times in the comic books. Jason

He's never been outright evil in the comics. Every once in a while Steve has to encounter a different Captain America style hero who often represents the worst aspects of American values.

There was the 50s Cap, William Burnside. He was the embodiment of everything wrong with the country in the 50s. McCarthyism made flesh.

In the 80s there was John Walker, a right wing conservative from Georgia. Xenophobic, Nationalistic, Fearmongering, blindly obedient to the Reagan Era Administration.

He DID end up being more fleshed out and 3-Dimensional than first thought, but he ended up going temporarily insane from his family being murdered by American Terrorists.

 

[JD]

Kevin Feige was asked about a second season of this and he said they aren't actively working on more, but they do have ideas for where they could go with it.
This seem like it would be a lot easier to do more of since it's basically just Sam and Bucky fighting bad guys, and doesn't have as limited a premise as WandaVision did.

 

[Noname Given]

The whereabouts and/or status of the Avengers is a major issue that should be addressed, and if we learn most of the members are now retired, AWOL or choosing to work independently, I would like to see the "why and how" behind it all.

The how and why are pretty simple. The two people who pretty much lead the team are both gone.

Tony Stark is dead, and no I don't see Pepper Potts stepping in to fill his shoes as she has a daughter to raise; and while she understands the reasoning behind what and why he did it, in effect it was Tony's association with The Avengers that cost Tony Stark his life. So no, she's not going to carry on supporting/leading The Avengers in any way.

And although we the audience know what happened to Steve Rogers/Captain America; I'm sure as far as the world knows/believes, Both Tony Stark and Steve Rogers were casualties during the fight against Thanos.

So yeah in effect no one was left to take up the leadership mantle of The Avengers, so it would stand to reason that everyone who was a part of that group just went on their way and continued to protect their families and the areas where they live; but yeah, It would be nice if the upcoming Marvel streaming series get into the aftermath of the Infinity War itself.

Wanda Vision appeared to be occurring at about the same time as the last MCU Spider-Man film. I say that because we saw Monica Rambeau/Photon just reappear from the reversal of the blip and she hadn't been back more than a few days before this whole Wanda Vision situation came up.

If anything they're probably going to move on from The Avengers, and they're setting up the start for the Young Avengers (which I know about but I've never really gotten into the storyline behind what led to that team being formed, although as I recall I thought it was farther in the future by a couple of decades.)

 

[Shamrock Holmes]

He's never been outright evil in the comics.

That's true.

Evil!Cap would be the one alluded to by Erskine in The First Avenger (although he was overtly talking about the Red Skull):

Dr. Abraham Erskine: Yeah. But, there were other effects. The serum was not ready. But more important, the man. The serum amplifies everything that is inside. So, good becomes great. Bad becomes worse. This is why you were chosen. Because a strong man, who has known power all his life, will lose respect for that power. But a weak man knows the value of strength, and knows compassion.

I refer of course to Clinton McIntyre aka Protocide (https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Clinton_McIntyre_(Earth-616))

Although even he wasn't all bad.

 

[Anwar]

That actually was a callback/call-forward to the 2008 Incredible Hulk movie, and the effect the serum had on Blonsky.

Of course, we don't know how Walker will get his powers in this version. In the comics he didn't get the Super Soldier treatment, but some other kind of power-up.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Tony Stark is dead, and no I don't see Pepper Potts stepping in to fill his shoes as she has a daughter to raise; and while she understands the reasoning behind what and why he did it, in effect it was Tony's association with The Avengers that cost Tony Stark his life. So no, she's not going to carry on supporting/leading The Avengers in any way.

Pepper absolutely isn't in any kind of place to (even want) to lead the Avengers, obviously, but I think it's going too far to say she won't support them in any way. I don't believe she blames them at all for Tony's death. If the actress is amenable, I won't be at all surprised to see Pepper show up to help out with some necessary StarkTech whenever it may be story appropriate. And I give solid odds she'll possibly be a major character in the Ironheart show (again, unless the actress is just totally unwilling).

Wanda Vision appeared to be occurring at about the same time as the last MCU Spider-Man film. I say that because we saw Monica Rambeau/Photon just reappear from the reversal of the blip and she hadn't been back more than a few days before this whole Wanda Vision situation came up.

I don't know if we can definitely assume she was only back a few days before heading back to work, but if so I'd say that puts WandaVision well before FFH, actually. The Kids in FFH were supposed to have been back a while already (I think the opening montage says six months, but I'm not sure about that).

If anything they're probably going to move on from The Avengers, and they're setting up the start for the Young Avengers (which I know about but I've never really gotten into the storyline behind what led to that team being formed, although as I recall I thought it was farther in the future by a couple of decades.)

There have been different versions with different setups. You may be thinking of one of the various future 'avengers' teams that have featured in different events which often are largely made up of the children/grand-children of famous characters (some still carrying the iconic codenames of their parents/grand-parents). Those won't really be relevant to what the MCU is doing with characters like Ms. Marvel, Kate Bishop, Patriot, etc.

 

[Turtletrekker]

@Noname Given while I agree that I can't see Pepper stepping in and becoming a active Avenger, neither can I see her pulling the plug financially.

Also, WandaVision takes place from three weeks to a month after Endgame and Far From Home started eight months after Endgame.

 

[Turtletrekker]

@Grendelsbayne -- Gwyneth Paltrow is indeed amenable to the idea of returning the MCU, as long as it were a small role that only took a day or two to film.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/movieweb.com/amp/gwyneth-paltrow-pepper-potts-mcu-marvel-return/

 

[JD]

There was actually a story on EW.com where Gwyneth Paltrow addressed the possibility of her returning to the MCU yesterday. She said she would be willing to, but only if it was a small part she could do in a day or two. She's mainly focusing on running her wellness and lifestyle company, Goop, these days.

If anything they're probably going to move on from The Avengers, and they're setting up the start for the Young Avengers (which I know about but I've never really gotten into the storyline behind what led to that team being formed, although as I recall I thought it was farther in the future by a couple of decades.)

The Young Avengers team that they appear to be setting up, with Kate Bishop, Wiccan and Speed, Stature, and possibly Ms. Marvel and Iron Heart, was a modern day team. They started up after the Avengers disbanded following Avengers Disassembled, around the same time Cap started the New Avengers.
Technically Ms. Marvel & Iron Heart have never been Young Avengers, they were actually part of the Champions, another teen team set up after the second Civil War, but I could see them making them Young Avengers instead for the MCU.

 

[FPAlpha]

Kevin Feige was asked about a second season of this and he said they aren't actively working on more, but they do have ideas for where they could go with it.
This seem like it would be a lot easier to do more of since it's basically just Sam and Bucky fighting bad guys, and doesn't have as limited a premise as WandaVision did.

I think Marvel is using the shows to either explore aspects of characters that they don't have time in the movies for and to set up future events and characters for upcoming movies. With Wandavision they explored Wanda's grief in more detail while laying the groundwork for a few things such as Monica Rambeau and Dr. Strange 2 as well as Vision's return at some point.

Falcon And Winter Soldier seems to be at least in part about people apparently quickly forgetting about Cap's achievement now that he's "dead" ( at least that's the vibe i got from the final trailer) and how Sam is needed to rise to the challenge of following up Steve Rogers as an icon, throw in some villains and buddy from hell shenanigans and you got yourself a possibly awesome show.

This could all work to "de-clutter" the movies by moving set up pieces to the shows and only have short introductions/recaps in the movies so they can fully concentrate on the movie plot and not lose time - if that's the plan ( or at least part of the plan) i think it could work out very well. Fans of the universe will watch the shows regardless and casuals will probably be satisfied with the abridged version to explain the character in the movie they are seeing.

 

[JD]

I could see that being the case, at least for the shows spun directly off from the movies, but I think when it comes to the completely original shows like Ms. Marvel, She-Hulk, and Iron Heart, those will probably be multiseason series. The only one I'm not as sure about is Moon Knight, and that's just because Oscar Isaac is more of a movie star, and I'm not sure if he's going to want to commit to more than one season of a TV show.

We've got our first batch of Marvel Must Haves merchandise for Winter Soldier. They did a new Must Haves after each episode of WandaVision, so they'll probably do the same thing for this.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Tony Stark is dead, and no I don't see Pepper Potts stepping in to fill his shoes as she has a daughter to raise; and while she understands the reasoning behind what and why he did it, in effect it was Tony's association with The Avengers that cost Tony Stark his life. So no, she's not going to carry on supporting/leading The Avengers in any way.

I would never think Pepper would be associated with any superhero business for that reason--Stark died, and she has a life with a daughter to build. She got into a suit in Endgame, but I always took that as an emergency-only situation.

So yeah in effect no one was left to take up the leadership mantle of The Avengers, so it would stand to reason that everyone who was a part of that group just went on their way and continued to protect their families and the areas where they live; but yeah, It would be nice if the upcoming Marvel streaming series get into the aftermath of the Infinity War itself.

It would be nice if they took a page from the Netflix shows and have a smaller (and/or as-needed) group like the Defenders who are not as formal and organized as the Avengers, but are.still capable of working together.

I don't believe she blames them at all for Tony's death

Ehh...she might blame them, after all, it was the group who visited Stark, trying to enlist his help for their time scheme, and up until that time, he was settled and completely out of danger. In grief, some needs someone to blame (ignoring an adult made a decision of his own free will), so she might feel the need to blame the former Avengers at some point.