Should there be a free star trek.

Discussion in 'Fan Productions' started by Rigelkent, Feb 4, 2021.

  1. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Likely as not they were grandfathered in due to being in production prior to the guidelines being issued.
    This is far more my point of view. Honestly, if people make fan films it warms my heart even if it feels raw and amateurish. I mean, my college and high school years were filmed with amateur productions of SW, Matrix and Star Trek, among others. Some went better than others but we had fun with it anyway.

    But, we also put in effort to make original content. And we had just as much fun. I would encourage people to take that enthusiasm for Star Trek and create something with that passion, either new or a fan film.
     
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  2. Maurice

    Maurice Snagglepussed Admiral

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    And quotable...
    "No! Not the bore worms!"
    "Gordon's alive?!"
    "Pathetic earthlings. Hurling your bodies out into the void."

    Who quotes the Syfy Flash Gordon TV show?




    No one.
     
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  3. Kor

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    Not if Disney has anything to say about it. :shifty:

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  4. Forsythe

    Forsythe Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    My particular favorite is from Brian Blessed's Vultan:
    "Flying blind on a rocket cycle???"
    That man's a gosh darned treasure.

    @fireproof78 , I believe I stand corrected. My less logical belief is that TPTB would be more forgiving of, well...anyone who doesn't attempt to monetize their project and/or studio. I certainly wouldn't want to test that theory myself.
     
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    To you, not to me. The better Flash Gordon movie that came out a year before is this one:

     
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  6. JD

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    Clarice is going to be on regular CBS, so you don't need to have CBSAA to watch it. Even if you don't watch it live, they usually put up the last 5 or 6 episodes of the regular CBS shows for free before you have to have CBS AA to watch them.
    As for the whole copyright question, it isn't just about the big corporation, it's also about the little guys.
    If I actually finish the story I'm working on, and by some miracle it gets published, I sure as hell want to be the one who gets to say what happens to it. These are my characters and my world, and I don't want someone else to come along and start a) making money off of them, and b) possibly doing it while portraying the characters and the world in ways that goes against my ideas for them. I'm a very liberal, open minded person, and I don't want somebody on the other side of the political spectrum coming along and having my characters say or do things I don't agree with.
     
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  7. Dukhat

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    I think he just wants other companies, or even just regular Joes like you and me, to be able to produce their own Star Trek shows, comic books, and video games, but not pay anything to CBS and just make all of it free. Which is never going to happen, not only because of everything @Maurice already mentioned, but because the people making these alleged Trek shows, comic books and video games aren't going to do it for free either. If they had some kind of license or 'partial copyright' thing from CBS, it no longer becomes some fanfic or fan production where no profit can be made off of it. Just like how CBS gave Paramount a license to produce the Abrams films. Paramount didn't make those movies for free.
     
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  8. fireproof78

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    I think forgiveness will come depending on how egregious it is. And, honestly, for the most part, if I were to do a fan film, following the guidelines would be fairly simple for me, besides the costuming and prop requirement. But, other than that, there is not much stopping me from going out and making a passion project and sharing it with family and friends.
     
  9. Maurice

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    They told New Voyages not to film Spinrad's "He Walked Among Us" (and I'm pretty sure I know why), and recommended that Kraft not make his feature fanfilm follow-up to Horizon. And yes, Renegades did a last minute reskin, but they'd been pushing their luck for a while.

    Visually it was 1969 broadcast quality. Script wise, none of them would have passed muster under Roddenberry/Coon/Fontana/Justman.

    I don't think one can really infer that from a talking heads doco format show. The Vulcan Scene was sure not feature quality.

    CBS allowed most of them to go forward—even Axanar—just under the guidelines they issues in response to Alex Peters abuse.

    That's not so. Plenty of fanfilms made since reference Star Trek all over the place. A number of them look fairly high quality. Middle schools skit quality is the fault of the writing, not CBS.

    And, to my knowledge, CBS filed precisely ONE suit, and that was against that long long grift that is Axanar.

    Do you boycott Disney for not sanctioning fanfilms of their works?
     
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  10. DarKush

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    Thanks. I was thinking it was exclusive to All Access. Good luck with finishing your story.
     
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    Thanks.
     
  12. Bixby

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    No they weren't...Stop insulting the people who worked for years on the original Star Trek and knew how to write stories
     
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  13. fireproof78

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    It's their property.
     
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    They shut Continues down? They had a proper finale; had they wanted a longer season?
     
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    The number of companies who are unwilling to tolerate fan films is quite lengthy. Mostly because it's their property to do what they want. Fan passion doesn't equal ownership.
    They had plenty of time to do so. That it didn't happen was the production team's fault not CBS.
     
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  16. Maurice

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    Neither are you entitled to your own facts. You made a bunch of claims about CBS and fanfilms that are demonstrably untrue.

    And there's no logical fallacy in my question. You stated you are not paying for CBS All Access because of how they treat fan productions. Would you likewise not pay for Disney+ because Disney has a history of cracking down on fan productions of its IP?
    Translation: I come here to vent and when someone disagrees I take my toys and go home.

    Bye.
     
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    Gentlemen, let's be kind.

    Thank you <3
     
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  18. BillJ

    BillJ The King of Kings Premium Member

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    Easy answer: no. If companies other than CBS want to make money off of space sci-fi properties, then they either need to use something in their own back catalogue or create something new.
     
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    Which was completed? IIRC they cut a few episodes from their schedule and wrapped a little sooner than originally planned but it was done.

    The other, New Voyages/Phase 2, ended when James Cawley got sick of all the drama involved in fan film creation. His sets are new the Official Star Trek Set Tour.
    Which was a scam to build a studio, sell patches and make money off the Trek brand rather than actually make a movie. That they STILL haven't made their 2 shorts (and that 2 former directors are making a doc about the toxic clusterfuck the project leader created and carries on to this day) says if all. If Alex Peters ever really wanted to make a movie he'd have done a Renegades/Orville, scrubbed the Trek names and designs and made the Axanar feature script which is floating about online.
     
  20. fireproof78

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    I would love to hear a rationale behind such a statement. CBS is treated quite poorly for doing what other companies do regarding their own property. It's odd, at best.
     
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