Has anyone started watching Voyager again?

Probably gonna do a rewatch after I finish DIS S1(and maybe ENT S3).

 

"Threshold" is an episode that should have been rejected when it was still a half-finished script.

 

The explanation I've heard is to make the show syndication friendly. Streaming or binging tv didn't really exist in the 1990s. Even DVDs weren't available. Instead once shows hit the 100 episode mark they were sold to be rerun in syndication. And even the biggest fans were unlikely to catch every show in order since they'd have to be in front of the television at the exact time each episode aired. So it was important to the producers to not confuse the audience who probably hadn't seen the previous week's episode, hence the reset button.

You'll note that very few shows from before the 2000s were serialized. There were a handful of soaps and other dramas (Dallas, Dynasty, Hill Street Blues, Melrose Place, Babylon 5, etc.) but none of them actually sold very well in the second-run syndication market even if they were popular during their initial run.

 

But the tadpoles! Will somebody think of the tadpoles!



That one definitely needed a rewrite, but I thing they focused their energies more on other episodes and hoped "Threshold" would be even barely passable. What's on paper doesn't always translate to screen all that well... "Threshold" just wanted to do too much, coupled with doing something unexpected. "Unexpected" being quite the understatement...

 

Threshold seems like one of those episodes that generates a lot of discussion from all kinds of Trek fans. Maybe it was really a Tom Paris dream episode

 

There are some episodes I can watch over and over like 11:59, The 37s and Timeless.

 

Same, I've been occasionally watching some of favorite S4 & S5 episodes(Revulsion, Latent Image, Nemesis etc)

 

Yes, after watching 'Picard', I had to go back and watch episodes I never saw to wash the taste of it out of my mouth. I wanted the joy and optimism in my life again. Then I binge watched ENT after having never done so before.

 

Would love to read your thoughts about Enterprise after binging it.

 

i out myself: best trek ever

 

I really wished it got a full 7 seasons, I was surprised by the writing this time round because Berman and Braga seemed resistant against serialised story telling, (and throwing Moore under the bus) here in ENT they committed to it!

I liked the idea of the Temporal Cold War and I liked the way the show even bothered to explain some of the visual issues with the Klingons. My first frustrations with ENT was when I was 20, I didn't want prequels so I barely watched it, I wanted to continue the timeline after Nemesis and Voyager returned. But now watching it last year, I enjoyed what it tried to do and I'm sad it ended.

 

I just liked all the design choices that they made. First Trek to use actual screens on the set and all those screens on the Bridge and around the ship were real functional monitors. Just wish they had promoted who made them. They looked neat with the side buttons going up one side and along the bottom. I liked that they used tactile switches on a lot of things and didn't have any real fancy touch panels, communicators looked like they would be functional designs. Everything looked like it fit with the time they were portraying.

I LOVE THE TEMPORAL COLD WAR...... So glad that Disco is referencing it.
I loved the show and would have been happy had they had one more season at least, that final episode though was unforgivable.

 

I just started rewatching Voyager again and am up to the 3rd episode, just the bare beginnings.

This show took a while for me to grow on. I really liked the development of the Doctor, and maybe Lt. Paris to an extent. The Doctor probably underwent the greatest growth. At the beginning he is little better than a computer hologram, which he literally is. But by the end he becomes a valued colleague and friend. I also liked how as they went on their journey they encountered different alien cultures. Some, like the Kazon (not really my favorite, but thankfully they were eventually left behind), the Vidiians, the Malon, the Hirogen and the Heirarchy would be seen for a couple of episodes, even several, until Voyager moved past their space. And of course aliens of the week. But it allowed for some different aliens at least.

One thing that really disappointed me was how quickly the Maquis were absorbed into the crew. Seska was the only one that didn't, and for what was obvious reasons. But by episode 3 you would hardly know they were ever Maquis. They covered it in "Parralax" then after Torres was made chief engineer it seemed everything was good to go, outside the occasional issue that came up on rare occasions. That was a big miss in my mind. It should have taken a bit longer. Certainly after a year or so serving together I would think they'd all start to trust and respect each other. I don't think they could have played up that conflict for too long. But certainly more than 2 episodes. It could have led to some great story moments, as the two crews slowly adjusted to one another and eventually rely on one another.

 

The last episode of S1 should have been swapped for the Episode where they find the Romulan scientist. Even then, have the Maquis as recurring characters.

 

it never fucking happened

 

We need another holodeck perspective inside Riker's holodeck to undo it.

 

I guess it was because it was in the zeitgeist. Shows like Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Stargate: SG-1 and Farscape had shown audiences were receptive to series that were able to blend weekly adventures with overaching plot narratives.

 

Although there were some running storylines, the first two seasons of Enterprise were basically episodic. But the show was plagued by poor reviews and falling ratings, so by the time the third season rolled around I think Berman / Braga were desperate and willing to try anything.

Also, that was right around the time that DVDs started taking off. A lot of people in Hollywood thought TV show box sets were going to be a niche item (like VHS tapes were) and were surprised to see people buying entire seasons as well as renting them from Netflix, which at the time was a mail-order DVD subscription service. And the shows that fans were interested in were mostly the serialized ones. Before DVDs the only way for a studio to make money from a show after it aired was to sell it into syndication and that market was hostile to serialization.

 

I'm really enjoying my run of Voyager. I found a few more episodes that I really, really like now that I never cared for before.

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