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Last Doctor Who Story you listened to?

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Originally Big Finish were wary of recasting, hence the narrated format of Companion Chronicles for the early Doctors. As more actors have passed away they've become more inclined to recast (so far Katarina, Ben, the 3rd Doctor, Liz, two Masters, the Brigadier, Kamelion, Sarah Jane and Harry, plus the Adventure and Space and Time quartet playing the initial crew)
 
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Recasting Kamelion seems like a no-brainer, since his whole deal is impersonating other people. From an in-story perspective, it's actually kind of weird that he kept King John's voice in his default form.
 
Recasting Kamelion seems like a no-brainer, since his whole deal is impersonating other people. From an in-story perspective, it's actually kind of weird that he kept King John's voice in his default form.
Presumably, that was Kamelion's real voice, as nobody had actually met John. At best they'd seen a poor likeness.
Makes you wonder why the Master bothered, really.
 
Presumably, that was Kamelion's real voice, as nobody had actually met John. At best they'd seen a poor likeness.

Ranulf Fitzwilliam knew King John. I just checked the transcript -- he explicitly said "I have known and served my sovereign lord for many years. No impostor could be so like." He was concerned that the king's behavior had changed and he was "not as I know him."

Maybe Kamelion kept John's voice because he had none of his own and it was convenient just to keep using the last voice he'd mimicked. (I'm reminded of the choice the '90s animated Spider-Man series made in portraying the Chameleon. He never spoke except in disguise, so if he had a voice of his own, we never heard it.)
 
Ranulf Fitzwilliam knew King John. I just checked the transcript -- he explicitly said "I have known and served my sovereign lord for many years. No impostor could be so like." He was concerned that the king's behavior had changed and he was "not as I know him."

Maybe Kamelion kept John's voice because he had none of his own and it was convenient just to keep using the last voice he'd mimicked. (I'm reminded of the choice the '90s animated Spider-Man series made in portraying the Chameleon. He never spoke except in disguise, so if he had a voice of his own, we never heard it.)
Shows how long it is since I last watched that one!
 
Immortal Beloved was excellent. I didn't think it would be at first, but it turned out to be a potent premise, an effectively dark, chilling scenario, and the execution was pretty good. It helped that I coincidentally listened to this one just after finishing Netflix's Altered Carbon, also dealing with entitled elites who live forever by downloading their minds into clones -- although Beloved went a lot darker with it because the clones had lives and personalities of their own.

Nice bit of symmetry that "Hera" was played with a former Who guest from three Doctors before McGann (Elspet Gray from "Arc of Infinity"), while "Zeus" was played by a future Who guest from three Doctors after McGann (Ian McNiece, recurring as Winston Churchill).
 
Immortal Beloved was excellent. I didn't think it would be at first, but it turned out to be a potent premise, an effectively dark, chilling scenario, and the execution was pretty good. It helped that I coincidentally listened to this one just after finishing Netflix's Altered Carbon, also dealing with entitled elites who live forever by downloading their minds into clones -- although Beloved went a lot darker with it because the clones had lives and personalities of their own.

Nice bit of symmetry that "Hera" was played with a former Who guest from three Doctors before McGann (Elspet Gray from "Arc of Infinity"), while "Zeus" was played by a future Who guest from three Doctors after McGann (Ian McNiece, recurring as Winston Churchill).
You hadn't read Altered Carbon before the series?
 
You hadn't read Altered Carbon before the series?

Nope. I read the summaries on Wikipedia, and I don't think I'd like the books as much -- they seem more superficial on a character level, less focused on relationships and more on military sci-fi, which isn't my cup of tea.


Anyhoo... Phobos is a decent, middle-of-the-road story. The premise is somewhat interesting with the ambiguity of the main human antagonist, and it examines the Doctor's personality in a way reminiscent of the modern series. The idea of the Doctor as an adrenaline junkie addicted to saving people was an interesting twist. Still, the 50-minute format does leave less room for exploring things in depth.

The story reminds me a bit of The Bounty of Ceres, in that it involves someone creating a fake monster, although in this case there's a real monster too. Coincidental that they're both set on real Solar system bodies, and named for them as well.
 
No More Lies was weird, confusingly starting in medias res and never quite filling in what we missed. It was also unique as far as I can recall, in that it's a time loop story where we never actually see time loop, where the whole thing takes place within a single iteration. Which is kind of a relief, since I dislike time loop stories for their repetitiveness, but on the other hand it feels like a case of telling rather than showing. It's all kind of unfocused. It also wastes way too much time on a musical number in Hungarian, of all things, rather than filling in more story.

I'm not enjoying the "Headhunter" business at all. It's a really clumsy way to do a seasonal arc, just tacking on a bit at the end of each story and only having it become relevant just before the finale.
 
Human Resources was reasonably good. A satire on corporate culture as a mercenary-combat service was a clever idea, though it might've worked better for me if I had any real familiarity with office culture (though I'm just as glad I don't). The twist on the actual nature of the "Headhunter" was kind of clever. The explanation of the whole business behind Lucie seemed like it was going somewhere interestingly dark, but then they copped out.

I'm not sure including the Cybermen really added anything to the story. It seems they were just there to be a threat big enough to justify the Celestial Intervention Agency intervening (celestially). Although they gave Nicholas Briggs a chance to whip ouuuut his imitatioooonnn of a Monnnnndasian Cybermaaaaaan voice.
 
Dead London was mediocre, an overly convoluted and silly concept and somewhat lacking in interesting guest characters, as most of the guest characters were really the same alien. Also weird that it ended with the Doctor not actually saving the trapped people, just leaving them in their prison world without the jailer in charge anymore (even though they were literally inside his brain somehow). It didn't make a lot of sense.

The new theme arrangement is awful, a very clumsy jumble of different bits of various Derbyshire arrangements.
 
Max Warp was even worse than the previous one. Maybe if I were familiar with Top Gear, I would've appreciated the parody more, but I doubt it. It just wasn't very good, one of BF's many misfires at humor. Lucie was written as if she were stupid, which she hasn't been before. And the scene with the show host hurling misogyny at Lucie went on way too long. The fact that we weren't supposed to approve of his bigotry didn't make it any less disgusting to listen to.

Does this season get any better?
 
Blood of the Daleks was okay. I liked Part 2 better than Part 1 -- the idea of a human scientist recapitulating Davros's creation and the Doctor trying to talk them out of it, and the inevitability of the "pure" Daleks wanting to destroy the "impure" offshoot, was pretty effective. And Hayley Atwell was pretty good, though I didn't realize it was her until halfway through. (I like it that they finally have narrated credits. Is that just because this one was on radio, or will the rest have them as well?)

But I'm not sold on Lucie Miller or her relationship with the Doctor yet. I guess it recapitulates the very beginning of the series, with Ian and Barbara initially having an adversarial relationship with the Doctor, but that was balanced out by their closer bond with Susan and with each other, and by Susan's warmth toward her grandfather. This is just two people bickering and not wanting to be stuck together, and that's not as appealing. I imagine the relationship will grow over time, but so far I'm not enjoying it or her.

And I'm not sure I buy the conceit that the Time Lords would send someone to the Doctor for "witness protection" -- it seems rather convoluted. And as this story showed, it's kind of a bad idea to "protect" someone by pairing them off with the guy who's constantly stumbling into mortal peril every week.
I'm sure you've seen how this panned out, but basically the idea with the Lucie Miller arc is a sorta return for the Time Lords using the Doctor for their errands and deals and what not. But for my money, Sheridan Smith conveys effectively her fascination and admiration for the Doctor and I get why they're still together at the end of the story.

You might be right overall, but I still consider Wrath of the Iceni to be possibly the finest Doctor Who audio story I've heard, and I'm not sure it would've worked better if it were longer. Every rule has its exceptions.
Wow.

Obviously great that you feel this way, don't get me wrong. I just assumed some of the others like Chimes of Midnight or The Foe from the Future might be higher?

Also, is every story going to end with that person who's hunting for Lucie showing up at the end after she and the Doctor have already left? That's really hard to justify in a time travel series. Wouldn't she be just as likely to show up early as late?
Its not any different that the Tenth Doctor catching up with the Master's resurrection too late, when he could theoretically have cought up with him earlier on.

Immortal Beloved was excellent. I didn't think it would be at first, but it turned out to be a potent premise, an effectively dark, chilling scenario, and the execution was pretty good. It helped that I coincidentally listened to this one just after finishing Netflix's Altered Carbon, also dealing with entitled elites who live forever by downloading their minds into clones -- although Beloved went a lot darker with it because the clones had lives and personalities of their own.

Nice bit of symmetry that "Hera" was played with a former Who guest from three Doctors before McGann (Elspet Gray from "Arc of Infinity"), while "Zeus" was played by a future Who guest from three Doctors after McGann (Ian McNiece, recurring as Winston Churchill).
Agreed with all.

Phobos is a decent, middle-of-the-road story. The premise is somewhat interesting with the ambiguity of the main human antagonist, and it examines the Doctor's personality in a way reminiscent of the modern series. The idea of the Doctor as an adrenaline junkie addicted to saving people was an interesting twist. Still, the 50-minute format does leave less room for exploring things in depth.
Also agreed. Though I think they are handling the hour-long storytelling better than you do..

No More Lies was weird, confusingly starting in medias res and never quite filling in what we missed. It was also unique as far as I can recall, in that it's a time loop story where we never actually see time loop, where the whole thing takes place within a single iteration. Which is kind of a relief, since I dislike time loop stories for their repetitiveness, but on the other hand it feels like a case of telling rather than showing. It's all kind of unfocused. It also wastes way too much time on a musical number in Hungarian, of all things, rather than filling in more story.
I think its excellent, actually. A really emotional story that draws the protagonists and indeed redeems the antagonist greatly. I admit opening cold on the Doctor and Lucie chasing him is a bit odd, but again not odder than anything in the Smith era.

I'm not enjoying the "Headhunter" business at all. It's a really clumsy way to do a seasonal arc, just tacking on a bit at the end of each story and only having it become relevant just before the finale.
It ties the stories together though, and is reminiscent of NuWho's series 6 in that manner.

Human Resources was reasonably good. A satire on corporate culture as a mercenary-combat service was a clever idea, though it might've worked better for me if I had any real familiarity with office culture (though I'm just as glad I don't). The twist on the actual nature of the "Headhunter" was kind of clever. The explanation of the whole business behind Lucie seemed like it was going somewhere interestingly dark, but then they copped out.

I'm not sure including the Cybermen really added anything to the story. It seems they were just there to be a threat big enough to justify the Celestial Intervention Agency intervening (celestially). Although they gave Nicholas Briggs a chance to whip ouuuut his imitatioooonnn of a Monnnnndasian Cybermaaaaaan voice.
I largely agree, but I'm still satisfied with the end result. I've grown to really enjoy this, especially the satirical elements of it.

Dead London was mediocre, an overly convoluted and silly concept and somewhat lacking in interesting guest characters, as most of the guest characters were really the same alien. Also weird that it ended with the Doctor not actually saving the trapped people, just leaving them in their prison world without the jailer in charge anymore (even though they were literally inside his brain somehow). It didn't make a lot of sense.
Well, I'll disagree. I feel the story plays to the Eighth and Lucie's strengths remarkably well, and the story is markedly entertaining moves along nicely.

The new theme arrangement is awful, a very clumsy jumble of different bits of various Derbyshire arrangements.
Missing the Arnold version yet? :p

Yeah, I hate it too. And Briggs stubbornly persisted though, keeping it throughout the remainder of the Lucie Miller audios. A damn shame, but at least from Dark Eyes onwards the David Arnold take was back (with a very slight variation in its opening still) and has stayed for the Doom Coalition, Ravenous and Stranded sets.

Personally, I've edited my .mp3's of the remainder of the Lucie audios to replace it with the Arnold variation. I just can't get into the story with the Briggs version in.

Max Warp was even worse than the previous one. Maybe if I were familiar with Top Gear, I would've appreciated the parody more, but I doubt it. It just wasn't very good, one of BF's many misfires at humor. Lucie was written as if she were stupid, which she hasn't been before. And the scene with the show host hurling misogyny at Lucie went on way too long. The fact that we weren't supposed to approve of his bigotry didn't make it any less disgusting to listen to.
I've no idea what Top Gear is and never seen it or watched it, but I still enjoyed this episode tremendously. Its one of those stories where the Eighth Doctor has to play Detective for a while, and he's brilliant at it. Lucie also shines as she gets to the story from her own perspective. Its also one of the better paced ones, too.

And I must point out, this one of the company's best sellers, outside of the usual "festive" ones, and one of the better received ones, too. It even got a vinyl release just last year.

Does this season get any better?
Man, I did not expect you to dislike this era this much. I love my Lucie Miller.

But since you asked, I really love Grand Theft Cosmos and The Zygon Who Fell to Earth.
 
I just assumed some of the others like Chimes of Midnight or The Foe from the Future might be higher?

I apparently only thought Chimes was "pretty good." I did think Foe was "excellent," but only in the sense of being a solid Doctor Who adventure. It didn't have the kind of powerful character work and beautiful, poetically written dialogue that Wrath of the Iceni had. Wrath is the only one I've loved so much that I listened to it a second time just days later.


Its not any different that the Tenth Doctor catching up with the Master's resurrection too late, when he could theoretically have cought up with him earlier on.

That happened once. I'm talking about the repetition, doing it over and over. It's a forced and clumsy way to create a seasonal thread, because it's so blatantly just tacked on at the end of stories that have nothing to do with it, so it calls attention to the artificiality of the device, and it quickly wears out its welcome. There are better, subtler ways to layer in such a thread, like the way "Bad Wolf" was worked into the Eccleston season, or the references to Torchwood in Tennant's first season.
 
Well, there we go at last. Brave New Town was pretty good, a clever premise and a fresh take on the Autons. A pretty effective mystery until you figure out what's going on (or are spoiled by reading the Wiki entry ahead of time, though luckily I kind of forgot what I'd read until just minutes before it was revealed). A weirdly unresolved ending, though, setting up McCarthy as an antagonist with malevolent designs to exploit the Autons as spies or soldiers. I wondered if it was a setup for a subsequent episode, but apparently there's been no sequel.
 
The Skull of Sobek was unmemorable. Maybe I just wasn't in a mood to pay much attention to it, but the only bit that stood out for me was the gag at the end about the monks entrusting the Doctor to Lucie's care to tend to his spiritual balance. (That and the Doctor's groaner about "putting the 'Lucie" in 'hallucinate'.")
 
I'm having to rush through the last half of the season, since I'm getting close to the expiration date for my library borrowings. I shouldn't have borrowed both full seasons on the same day -- I'd expected to go through them quicker.

Anyway, Grand Theft Cosmos was a good one, a fun heist story with effective humor, mostly. I didn't really have anything invested in the Headhunter and Karen characters that would have made me eager for their return, but I guess having the Doctor and Lucie facing adversaries familiar with them, competing with them for the same prize, was a nice touch. It was a bit confusing, though, since Karen's voice is hard to tell apart from Lucie's. Also, the idea of the artist being able to create an entire mini-universe complete with sentient inhabitants was tossed out a bit too casually. A being with that kind of power should be more of a big deal.

The Zygon Who Fell to Earth was also pretty good, certainly much better than the previous one by the same author (Horror of Glam Rock). It was a nice alternate take on the Zygons. It's not out of the question that a shapeshifter impersonating a human could go native and defect to humanity. It kind of foreshadows what the TV series did with the Zygons in the Capaldi era, Osgood in particular.
 
Sisters of the Flame/The Vengeance of Morbius was a strong finale to the season. I really liked the relationship that developed between Lucie and the Trell police officer Rosto, with her initially reacting with outright bigotry to his centipede-like appearance but coming to realize he was a good guy and genuinely regretting her first response, and then genuinely becoming fond of him. Cool that Alexander Siddig played Rosto, although I could barely recognize his voice; it sounded different for some reason.

I was never a huge fan of "The Brain of Morbius," and the idea of the Time Lords running scared just because some rich industrialist had a Morbius fixation didn't really work that well for me, but it turned out to be fairly effective. I like it that they gave Morbius some nuance -- he wasn't some stock one-note tyrant who was abusive and contemptuous toward his subordinates, but actually showed fondness and gratitude toward Varodnix for bringing him back to life, in between boasting about all the worlds he'd conquered and devastated. I think that's a more textured portrayal than he got in "Brain." And the ending, with Lucie's reaction after the Doctor apparently sacrificed himself, was pretty moving.

Of course, this is the last one in the series available on Hoopla, so I can only read on the wiki about how the cliffhanger was resolved. It says something about the Doctor living on Orbis for 600 years, which is weird considering that it was written after the new series established the Ninth Doctor as 900 years old, and he was already around 900 in the Seventh Doctor era. Certainly the Doctor's alleged age has always been inconsistent, but it's odd that they'd knowingly introduce such a big inconsistency after the fact.

So all I have left now are a few seasons of The Companion Chronicles and Short Trips, The Stage Plays, and some miniseries centering on the Cybermen, Daleks and Davros, and UNIT.
 
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