Gods I hate that phrase. I remember when "filler" episodes were just...episodes.
What's up with the Ferengi? Are they part of the Emerald Chain or not?
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Gods I hate that phrase. I remember when "filler" episodes were just...episodes.
Who knows how much Rom changed the Ferengi. The may all be impoverished monks on some mountains somewhere by now.
Only clip shows are real fillers, like Shades of Gray on TNG.
I didn’t mean filler episodes in a negative context. Perhaps I should have said “bottle episode” or “standalone episode”.
I just think Discovery could use a few episodes like that to explore the universe they are in now or expand on the characters a bit. Give me something in the vein of “His Way”, “Times Orphan” or “Badda-Bing, Badda-Bang” from DS9 S6-7.
I just think Discovery could use a few episodes like that to explore the universe they are in now or expand on the characters a bit. Give me something in the vein of “His Way”, “Times Orphan” or “Badda-Bing, Badda-Bang” from DS9 S6-7.
I can't agree with that: it relegates too many Golden Girls episodes to that category.
That's an issue with these tight seasons with a small number of episodes. There's no filler. Everything has to placate the main narrative. We don't get a guest star showcase or a day in the life of a minor crewman. If Discovery was 23 episodes instead of 13, I'm sure we would have more insight into Rhys and Bryce and Detmer and better coverage of the century.
And that's thanks to the filler episodes. They help you breathe and widen the focus, the story, the universe.
Genuine question-do we need to know Rhys and Bryce and Detmer more than we do already?
exactly my point, gimme a 18 episode season. Maybe it means you have to eat into the fx or costume budgets but it might be worth it.
Sure, why not. What could it hurt.
I don't think it would hurt anything. I asked if it was necessary?
I mean, I would love to know more about Mr. Lesley or Reily or others but that's not always the focus. So, I'm trying to figure what is gained by it with the shorter season.
That's just me.
It's no more necessary to get to know Detmer, Bryce, Rhys etc than it was necessary to get to know any number of 'minor' characters from the other Star Trek series. Loads of things aren't strictly necessary are they? Are all the special effects necessary? Was designing a new ship necessary or could they have just reused the USS Voyager? A lot of things aren't necessary but these things help enhance the product immensely.
For example Rom in Deep Space Nine was originally an unnamed character but with some focus look what he developed into - virtually a main character by the end.
For example Rom in Deep Space Nine was originally an unnamed character but with some focus look what he developed into - virtually a main character by the end.
Detmer seems to have been short-changed this season. If only they had more time to develop her and explore her traumatic experience.
Can remember seeing the Founder Homeworlds on a map and the appearance of some Cardies in the background, but where and when was that thing about the Founders and Jem' Hadar species appearing at a computer display?
Ah, I see. It is a matter of personal preference to enjoy the product a particular way not a need. Just making sure I understand the point.
I probably sound a bit pendantic but it is something I always am curious about. There were so many minor characters that I would have enjoyed learning more about in TOS that never happened so when I hear "need" I'm like "Did people watch TOS?"
And I could have lived without Rom. But, that's me.
I think they did well with her.
Just a little!
Rom is a good example, Nog is an even better one. Look at how they developed him from an illiterate, vulgar (by Hewman standards) petty thief to an intelligent, well respected Starfleet officer and another borderline main character. They could have easily promoted him to series regular in S7 when they killed off Jadzia.
and yeah, it’s personal preference on my part to see a bigger picture of the Discovery universe and of the crew. It’s not required but I think it would only enhance the show and maybe cut down on some of the issues.
and yeah, it’s personal preference on my part to see a bigger picture of the Discovery universe and of the crew. It’s not required but I think it would only enhance the show and maybe cut down on some of the issues.
Honestly, if they had wanted to do a PTSD storyline, they should have given it to one of the main characters who the show does make time for to focus on rather than just leaving it as "that thing for Detmer to do this week."
Indeed, yes. Though, Hollywood sucks at writing and exploring PTSD so maybe they should just leave it alone, since the fan base would just expect the character to get over it any way.
Given that Emerald Chain territory seems to extend "eastward" towards the Klingon Empire and that Ferenginar is apparently far enough out "westward" that regular contact wasn't even established until the mid-2300s, I'd say that Ferenginar is just too far away from the Emerald Chain to be part of it.
Besides, I kind of like the idea that Rom's reforms led to the rise of Ferengi socialism. Maybe the Ferengi Union later joined the Federation, and Ferenginar in 3189 is one of the last Federation holdouts still practicing UFP socialism.
Besides, I kind of like the idea that Rom's reforms led to the rise of Ferengi socialism. Maybe the Ferengi Union later joined the Federation, and Ferenginar in 3189 is one of the last Federation holdouts still practicing UFP socialism.
Actually, I kind of like the idea of the Ferengi being in the Federation. Maybe in addition to being the first Ferengi Starfleet officer, Nog was also the first Ferengi representative on the Federation Council, and that's why there's a ship named after him.
The Rommunist Manifesto.Given that Emerald Chain territory seems to extend "eastward" towards the Klingon Empire and that Ferenginar is apparently far enough out "westward" that regular contact wasn't even established until the mid-2300s, I'd say that Ferenginar is just too far away from the Emerald Chain to be part of it.
Besides, I kind of like the idea that Rom's reforms led to the rise of Ferengi socialism. Maybe the Ferengi Union later joined the Federation, and Ferenginar in 3189 is one of the last Federation holdouts still practicing UFP socialism.
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