Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x12 - "There Is A Tide…"

[Discofan]

She did one better... Kicking that bad girl in the face "a-la-Kirk" to get her to let go.
(even losing a boot)

....

yeah, they took it from a James Bond Movie... I think it's one with Timothy Dalton, I can picture him saying that line: "He got the boot."

 

[Discofan]

It's all so that CBS can ripoff Disney

Reminds you of anything?
Hint...

Yeah...

 

[Leto_II]

Once again, Robert Meyer Burnett trying desperately to build up his so-called "brand," in the absence of actual industry-work:

https://twitter.com/BurnettRM/status/1344678612415332353

...Jesus Christ, this guy. "Worse" than, say...Galactica 1980? Or Man From Atlantis? Or Automan? Or even (God help us) Meego?

 

[ITDUDE]

yeah, they took it from a James Bond Movie... I think it's one with Timothy Dalton, I can picture him saying that line: "He got the boot."

That's excellent Bond knowledge from one of worst Bond actors ever

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[Deks]

Michael's mom said that she did everything she could to prevent Control from getting his hands on the sphere data and she failed each time, so your interpretation is definitely not the right one unless you're saying that she's lying... which would be weird, to say the least.

I'm not saying she lied, I'm saying its not consistent with the events that happened.
The Sphere encountered Discovery in early season 2 because Burnham's mom directed it there.
But before this happened, we don't have an indication that Control even knew the Sphere existed, where it was or that it would get in touch with Control or one of Federation ships.

So, in the timeline before Burnham's mom directed the Sphere to Discovery, how would Control get its hands on the Sphere Data before it 'died'?
Via another Federation ship that the Sphere encountered? Perhaps a planet, or a starbase?

We do know that prior to reaching Discovery, the Sphere was travelling in deep space accumulating data for 100 000 years, and when it finally got to Discovery, it died within an hour.

Control only knew of the Sphere Data because Discovery crew would report its encounter with the Sphere to Starfleet... but without encountering Discovery, where did the Sphere go and download its data to for Control to even know it was there, let alone get its hands on it?

 

[fireproof78]

Osyra's plan was a stupid one. I actually think her wanting to join in a treaty with the Federation is a smart move. However, really?! To start negotiations, you hijack a Federation vessel and hold the bridge crew as hostages?! She then talks about good faith negotiations!

That probably is good faith to her. You negotiate from a position of strength.

I always love the assumption that everyone should make perfectly logical decisions.

You know, it is kinda weird that the Sphere Data wouldn't allow itself to be destroyed at all during Season 2 - and in Season 3 it just meekly transfers itself into three DOTs rather than actively resist deletion in the main computer.

Maybe the Sphere data recognized that actively fighting put it at more risk, so going more passive may ensure long term survivability.

Reminds you of anything?

No.

I prefer the first picture.

 

[ITDUDE]

Yeah...

I love Johnny 5! Awesome robot. But newer interpretation that everyone sees is Wall-E

But I am telling you, CBS has their eyes set a big higher (and much more recent)

 

[fireproof78]

But I am telling you, CBS has their eyes set a big higher (and much more recent)

I'm not seeing the connection...

 

[Mr Awe]

An excellent course correction after last episode. However, in a serialized show, there might be a bit of "too little too late" here.

I think you make some excellent points about how they haven't effectively serialized the show. There are things they could've build up over the course of the season. Build up their universe and universe of characters so they feel more real and fleshed out. They still haven't mastered serialized story telling. And they don't seem to know how to manage a season long story arc effectively. Their reveals about the music and the Burn have been decidedly underwhelming.

 

[ITDUDE]

Once again, Robert Meyer Burnett trying desperately to build up his so-called "brand," in the absence of actual industry-work:

https://twitter.com/BurnettRM/status/1344678612415332353

...Jesus Christ, this guy. "Worse" than, say...Galactica 1980? Or Man From Atlantis? Or Automan? Or even (God help us) Meego?

At least he showed up here to try to answer some questions before he was ran off the forum with the mob fully of angry trekkies. And comparing Discovery to LEXX is giving Discovery a lot of credit. LEXX is awesome!

 

[Lord Garth]

Once again, Robert Meyer Burnett trying desperately to build up his so-called "brand," in the absence of actual industry-work:

https://twitter.com/BurnettRM/status/1344678612415332353

...Jesus Christ, this guy. "Worse" than, say...Galactica 1980? Or Man From Atlantis? Or Automan? Or even (God help us) Meego?

He does love the hyperbole.

 

[Mr Awe]

Someone on another forum made the point that everything is being set up for Discovery to be destroyed next episode:

• Stamets is at Starfleet HQ
• Most of the crew is also at Starfleet HQ
• Saru, Culber, and Adira are in the nebula
• The Sphere Data is on those three DOTs, not in the main computer

Basically we just need to get Michael, Tilly, and the bridge crew off the ship. Book is of course strictly optional.

Destroyed? Or sent back in time to wait a thousand years?

 

[ITDUDE]

Probably not.

They would be dumb if they didn't try to mimic success of Disney/Marvel and their BILLIONS and BILLIONS of revenue

 

[137th Gebirg]

But these are not just DOTs, they are sphere data enhanced DOTs.

Beyond that, they may be specialized to certain tasks. The glowy circles around the eyes happen to match the 3 TOS-era main branch colors, gold, red and blue. It stands to reason the sphere data might not have been able to dump its entire contents into one DOT, so broke it up based on Starfleet branch designations, making it easier for the crew to pick which one would be most suitable for a given task.

 

[fireproof78]

They would be dumb if they didn't try to mimic success of Disney/Marvel and their BILLIONS and BILLIONS of revenue

Star Trek has never been able to mimic that success and would be dumb to try, accused of ripping off Disney and on and on. It's a BS standard to my mind and not the way CBS wants to go.

If they honestly were going to go that way then it would have been tardigrades, DOT-7s and the like. CBS is taking a different tack. More power to them.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Off topic but I am morbidly curious-what's been lost? NASA has focused assets elsewhere, such as solar observation to determine those weather patterns, and the private sector has been very busy planning new launch vehicles to support advancement to space. Elon Musk, in particular, is working hard for asset development.

The article I linked above outlines some of the issues, along with this one ( https://www.technologyreview.com/2018/04/02/144152/why-getting-back-to-the-moon-is-so-damn-hard/ ) and other articles and interviews with NASA officials. In essence, Apollo program was a complex of technological and organizational efforts, many of the step to which are either not entirely understood or no longer understandable in contemporary practices. There are on top of that the various manufacturing abilities no longer used. When you look at any contemporary efforts to get back to the Moon, none of them are trying to replicate Apollo. They are effectively starting from square one, or if you would, they are in practice reinventing the wheel.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Perhaps it took the 32nd Century upgrades to the Repair-bots for them to be able to hold all of the Sphere's data???

I'm OK with that.

Not surprising that the DOTs would get upgrades just like the Discovery did.

 

[Mr Awe]

With regards to Tilly, I genuinely don't know whst they're trying to achieve with her by making her first officer at this stage where she's isn't ready for such a role by virtually any metric you wish to use.

I don't know if this was the point of the writers after Tilly was made XO, but they've really gone out of their way to show that Saru's decision to make an Ensign his Number One was a mistake. I laughed at Vance wincing when Osyra told him how easy it was to take Discovery and that she thought it was a trap because it was so easy! Saru will be hearing about that assuming they both survive. I also thought Tilly's defensiveness about having a plan was fitting given the ease at which she lost the ship.

 

[fireproof78]

The article I linked above outlines some of the issues, along with this one ( https://www.technologyreview.com/2018/04/02/144152/why-getting-back-to-the-moon-is-so-damn-hard/ ) and other articles and interviews with NASA officials. In essence, Apollo program was a complex of technological and organizational efforts, many of the step to which are either not entirely understood or no longer understandable in contemporary practices. There are on top of that the various manufacturing abilities no longer used. When you look at any contemporary efforts to get back to the Moon, none of them are trying to replicate Apollo. They are effectively starting from square one, or if you would, they are in practice reinventing the wheel.

I wouldn't want to try to replicate Apollo either.

I don't see it as lost as trying a different way. I also don't believe humanity wants to go back to the moon.

I don't know if this was the point of the writers after Tilly was made XO, but they've really gone out of their way to show that Saru's decision to make an Ensign his Number One was a mistake. I laughed at Vance wincing when Osyra told him how easy it was to take Discovery and that she thought it was a trap because it was so easy! Saru will be hearing about that assuming they both survive. I also thought Tilly's defensiveness about having a plan was fitting given the ease at which she lost the ship.

You mean...they might actually have a point of doing this decision and it might be for character growth and drama?

What the are they thinking?

 

[Lakenheath 72]

Was the majority of the crew moved to the station?

The crew, other than the bridge crew, are confined to the brig. Then, it is said that they are boarding shuttles. Yet, there is no confirmation of them boarding the shuttles or of them arriving at the station.

How did Osyraa leave the Discovery via shuttle? The bay was wrecked by Booker's ship smashing into it. That ship occupies a large area of the bay, as seen earlier in the season.

How did the female regulator's body travel so far, so she could be seen from the bridge? She was sent into space below the port "wing" of the Discovery.