Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x10 - "Terra Firma, Part 2"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Commander Richard, Dec 16, 2020.

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  1. Discofan

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    They must have gotten this from B4's brain as Data's was vaporized, though.
     
  2. NCC-73515

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    Data's memories were reconstructed from a remaining neuron
     
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  3. jackoverfull

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    similarly, whoever came up with that detail probably had a single neuron.
     
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  4. Discofan

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    If that.
     
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    I don't think there was a single component of data left after Shinzon's ship exploded. Most likely he was just atomized.
     
  6. jackoverfull

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    since the reconstituted Data didn’t remember his death I think that the idea is that the neuron was harvested sometime before Nemesis. Convenient but certainly more believable than Maddox rummaging trough wreckage in the Bassen Rift.
     
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  7. Noname Given

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    Data was not present when Spock gave that speech to Picard. They were both walking and talking alone in the underground caves.
     
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    The device data leads to classic sci-fi ambiguity, one that mirrors or genuflects to a similar moment in Carl Sagan's novel and adapted movie "Contact." In it, Dr. Ellie Arroway's data recorder captured 18 hours of noise when it appeared she passed through the wormhole machine instantly without incident. Like Georgiou, Arroway had vivid experiences during her episode within the portal's realm.
     
  9. Discofan

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    I hated that movie. In fact, there's not a single thing in that movie that I didn't dislike. I mean the idea that they would spend a big chunk of the worldwide resources on building a machine that they don't even know the principles on which it works... Is beyond stupidity. I mean I know that the world we live in is not exactly rational but this is straightjacket padded room crazy!!!
     
  10. hbquikcomjamesl

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    Another 8. I will note that I made the mistake of looking up "Carl" on Memory Alpha before the big reveal.

    Which is to say that just because the Guardian was destroyed in the First Splinter universe (and apparently every other timeline Wesley visited) in the first book of the Coda Trilogy doesn't mean . . .
    . . . it stayed destroyed after the survivors of the First Splinter and mirror First Splinter stopped the First Splinter(s) from ever happening.

    . . . where (and when) did the Guardian send Georgiou?
     
  11. fireproof78

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    That's the question.

    But, I agree that it is a good episode.
     
  12. jackoverfull

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    books are not canon
     
  13. hbquikcomjamesl

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    No, but they are generally expected to follow canon, and in the specific case of the Coda trilogy, the very definition of the project required the prime timeline to end up consistent with canon at the end of Oblivion's Gate. And even if DW, JS, and DM weren't privy to the ending of the present episode (released in December 2020) prior to the press deadline for Moments Asunder (released September 2021), there are people (both John Van Citters and Kirsten Beyer come to mind) who could have caught it and done something about it.

    Which is to say that the whole point of the Coda Trilogy is to undo everything that happened in the Novelverse (now the "First Splinter") that is inconsistent with current canon. Including everything that happens in the Coda trilogy itself that would be inconsistent with current canon.
     
  14. dupersuper

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    I loved Contact. You really think if we got designs FROM ALIENS people wouldn't be too tempted to resist?

    The "Crisis on Infinite Earths" of Star Trek...