I did. I thought we'd at least see him in the finale when they restore the Federation, so well hey maybe season 4
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x11 - "Su'Kal"
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I did. I thought we'd at least see him in the finale when they restore the Federation, so well hey maybe season 4
Are you a time traveler from the future? I haven't seen the finale yet.
No not a time traveler but by god that would be fun.
I meant to say I hope we see him again in the finale or in season 4.
Sahil? Yes, I think when you make a character the only person in the opening scene of the season, a central focus of the rest of the episode, give him moving and sympathetic characterization, and tie him into the main story arc of finding/restoring the Federation, you should absolutely revisit that character when you do rediscover that Federation and possess a ship that can jump instantly to any location in the galaxy.
There should have been a scene immediately informing the poor fellow in the isolated relay station desperate for news of the Federation's existence that they're still around, and grateful to you for keeping the flame, and they're resupplying you and giving you a chance to visit somewhere else if you want, and reestablishing regular communications to your sector.
I wouldn't be surprised if he reappears as sort of a coda for the season. I also wouldn't be surprised if he's completely forgotten despite his early significance to the over-arching theme of the season. But yes, in my opinion, as soon as they reached Federation HQ Discovery should have revisited Sahil.
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So, they essentially became The Moment.
They dropped the ball with Sahil. Majorly. If he returns, maybe it can be redeemed. But as it is... once Discovery rejoins Starfleet, it's like he's completely forgotten about.
The Moment was kind of hot....
not that i don't believe you but can i get a source for that?
Sahil did seem like he was being set up for a significant recurring role only to be immediately forgotten I must admit.
Maybe Michael will narrate the finale with the parable of Sahil's long wait:. "Like Voq, Sahil was a Torchbearer. And his faith was pure. And we all grieved the deepest grief when the shuttle craft bringing him home was destroyed by the Emerald Chain. But the Federation survives. And so will his light..."
Beaming through shields has happened before. Also we don't know the extent of 32nd technology, and maybe when shields are weak enough, (Discovery's was only at 30%), that a beam through is possible, especially with the new tech.
So we really don't know.
Yeah, Michael hates Voq, I doubt she would use a parable with him as a central character. It would be like Kirk including Khan in one.
Beaming through shields has always been possible when they've needed it to happen. Chief O'Brien even managed to beam through the shields of the Phoenix that one time. There's always been a frequency window or a gap or an overlap or whatever. The Discovery's shields were probably weak enough that transporters could punch through them.
Lets be honest even though we're getting on for a thousand years into the future virtually everything, shields, weapons, transporters, cloaks is all basically the same isn't it?
Lets be honest even though we're getting on for a thousand years into the future virtually everything, shields, weapons, transporters, cloaks is all basically the same isn't it?
I know the Federation at this point is just trying to stay alive and restoring communication to his sector or doing anything nice for this one man doesn't follow with Vance's character, but at the very least, Burnham gave him a commission and he was given an extremely sympathetic backstory, an easy one to expect a return to. It seems like she just decided to leave him behind and cut off again, which doesn't track with her character of wanting to save everyone.
Maybe Michael will take Discovery there if something catastrophic happens to the current Federation headquarters.
For the most part, it does seem that way, or just different enough. I honestly like the combadges in terms of feeling more foreign or futuristic.
I truly think the biggest problem is simply that writing future technology is hard and hasn't been the focus of the story. So, it gets maintained at a level that feels accessible to the audience. I'm hoping more tech gets explored, but honestly, I got most of my tech knowledge from books.
Transporter beams CAN penetrate sufficiently weak shields yes, but this has only been demonstrated if shields were already very low (10%-20%), of simply inferior design (for example, a 29th century transporter beam was able to go through Voyager's shields as if they weren't there and beam Starling out or the shields simply had no way of blocking transporter beams), or if you found a shield frequency to beam through the shields.
But, Discovery was entirely retrofitted and brought up to 32nd century standards, so the shields would be similarly upgraded along with every other system... furthermore, why did Osyraa wait so long to beam onto Discovery if she could do that at any time only to waste more time by engaging Tilly in a dialogue?
Heck... why not beam a security detail onboard Booker's ship when its shields were about to be taken out back at Kweijian in order to stop it from incurring critical damage onto the Veridian and get an extra prize? And that was a scout ship with comparatively weaker shields than most capital ships.
I find it very difficult to imagine that 50% shield capacity onboard (what has effectively become a modern) 32nd century SF ship would not be able to prevent transporter beam-ins.
No dampening fields to prevent beam-ins... or automatic force-fields to contain intruders (even though Discovery had that ability since before coming to the future), etc.
Plus as a 'cherry on top', there's a good chance we won't ever learn why was Discovery so easily taken.
I suppose its possible that when Osyraa fixed that structural weakness in the Veridian, she may have received certain upgrades as well from her boss... but the takeover was simply speaking too easy, and I'd prefer some kind of an explanation as to why it happened that way.
Also, what the heck is SF doing?
It has the power/resources of 38 member planets (which is not small). You'd think they'd be able to keep up in research and development and security more or less.
Heck, even the 4 Kazon carrier ships had a hard time taking over Voyager (which was able to even destroy one carrier ships before incurring pretty good damage onto the other 3), and by the time they did, most of Voyager's primary systems were down due to combat damage (which would explain lack of functional internal security systems).
Though to be fair, the Kazon WERE portrayed as technologically inferior and not exactly too bright.
I completely agree that future FUTURE technology is a hard thing to portray without it being virtually akin to magic, but speaking personally I don't see the galaxy of nearly a thousand years in the future as drastically different technology-wise than what I've observed before - transporters, shields, phasers and torpedoes, holograms, ships needing dilithium for their warp drives. Honestly if they'd said they'd jumped fifty years beyond the Picard era I'd have had no qualms believing the level of technology shown in this season of Discovery.
When Discovery was at Earth it shrugged off a 32nd century torpedo hit with its 23rd century shields. I'd have imagined this would have been like a Viking longboat going toe-toe-toe with a modern Navy destroyer.
Obviously it's just a personal observation and technology could well have plateaued after the 24th century, but somehow I'd have thought a thousand years into the future would have felt a bit more...futuristic?
When Discovery was at Earth it shrugged off a 32nd century torpedo hit with its 23rd century shields. I'd have imagined this would have been like a Viking longboat going toe-toe-toe with a modern Navy destroyer.
Obviously it's just a personal observation and technology could well have plateaued after the 24th century, but somehow I'd have thought a thousand years into the future would have felt a bit more...futuristic?
I don't really know that this means anything to be honest. 'Too much technology kills technology?'
I mean that at some point you get total creation, like in Forbidden Planet where they could just wish anything into existence (they ended up killing each other BTW) after that what more can you do?
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