Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x11 - "Su'Kal"

[antinoos]

After to watch The Mandalorian, it is even more perceptible how Discovery was bad written...

Ah yes, the masterfully written Mandalorian, where every other episode the good guys are infiltrating the ship/ship/ship/outpost/ship of the bad guys and spend half the episode (15 minutes!)
easily slaughtering useless stormtroopers. Masterpiece!

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Ah yes, the masterfully written Mandalorian, where every other episode the good guys are infiltrating the ship/ship/ship/outpost/ship of the bad guys and spend half the episode (15 minutes!)
easily slaughtering useless stormtroopers. Masterpiece!

Is that sarcasm I detect? What you don't like the lovely visuals and all the dead stormtroopers, they are the bad guys after all /s

 

[fireproof78]

Ah yes, the masterfully written Mandalorian, where every other episode the good guys are infiltrating the ship/ship/ship/outpost/ship of the bad guys and spend half the episode (15 minutes!)
easily slaughtering useless stormtroopers. Masterpiece!

The real challenge with the show is it leans so heavily on the Child that it becomes a question of if the show should be continued.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The real challenge with the show is it leans so heavily on the Child that it becomes a question of if the show should be continued.

Grogu will runaway from home to team up with Mando and a new batch of characters from previous Star Wars installments.

 

[Lord Garth]

Fuck.

I should've known. The Mandolorian is going to be the new Orville around here.

 

[IMC Headquarters]

The Child.
The Timeless Child.
Su'Kal.

Haven't seen this much mystical power in kids since Escape to Witch Mountain!

 

[Nerys Myk]

The Child.
The Timeless Child.
Su'Kal.

Haven't seen this much mystical power in kids since Escape to Witch Mountain!

 

[Deks]

They thought it was a Federation ship at first. Did the usual "something isn't right...." bit of business, until the last minute. Which per usual is too late.

They figured out it wasn't a Federation ship well before Osyraa arrived. They could have jumped and thrown her off at least.
Heck, Disco could have initiated multi-jump maneuver like they did the first time with the Klingon coffin ship (only far less than 133 jumps - more like 15 to 30 would have sufficed to then attack Osyraa's ship from multiple angles).

 

[eschaton]

I'll admit I haven't watched the second season of The Mandalorian yet (waiting to re-up on Disney Plus in February). But from my experience with the first season, they are very different shows.

The Mandalorian is basically a character-focused show. The plots are very cliché things we have seen a hundred times over. It's not trying to be creative in its plotting in any way. Instead, it's using the time-worn plot devices to examine Din Djarin and see how he grows and changes over time.

 

[cooleddie74]

And it's damn good at what it does.

 

[Iconian]

Was it mentioned before they had a Cloak?

Why don't they cloak right after coming out of Black Alert instead of being sat out in open for hours and hours.

Exactly. The cloak should have been mentioned right after Discovery's retrofit. It was strange to just drop the info like that.

At the very least, Discovery should have cloaked when long range sensors detected an unknown ship was on its way.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Exactly. The cloak should have been mentioned right after Discovery's retrofit. It was strange to just drop the info like that.

At the very least, Discovery should have cloaked when long range sensors detected an unknown ship was on its way.

It was sporting a Federation signature. So while they were cautious, they weren't fully expecting trouble.

 

[Fateor]

It was sporting a Federation signature. So while they were cautious, they weren't fully expecting trouble.

Warp Signatures are the easiest thing to wake in the setting.

To the point where even newly promoted lieutenants should know to check the incoming vessels transponder.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Warp Signatures are the easiest thing to wake in the setting.

To the point where even newly promoted lieutenants should know to check the incoming vessels transponder.

Sure, but they don't. Even experienced Captains don't. Interesting drama is based on risk, not regulations.

 

[Noname Given]

They were, which is why they shouldn't have jumped to the end with Tilly's story-line and instead slowly showed her going through the steps to become a competent command officer over the course of multiple seasons.

How did they jump to the end? Everyone In a command track has to have their first time in the chair, and this is hers. It's not like they're giving her command of the ship and replacing Saru.

Also when a season is only 13 episodes, there's not a lot of time to spend on ancillary characters. The characters serve the story and the plot, not the other way around.

 

[Fateor]

How did they jump to the end? Everyone In a command track has to have their first time in the chair, and this is hers. It's not like they're giving her command of the ship and replacing Saru.

They jumped Tilly 5 ranks from Ensign to Acting Commander... That's the very definition of jumping to the end.

The first time in command is supposed to be simulators, and then boring night shifts where they can call in a proper officer if something actually important happens to get the person used to being in command.

And yes actually it is giving command of the ship over, because that's the job of a ships second in command when the captain runs off.

Also when a season is only 13 episodes, there's not a lot of time to spend on ancillary characters. The characters serve the story and the plot, not the other way around.

Tilly is one of the main characters, try again.

Especially since they wasted two episodes on a backdoor pilot for their Section 31 show.

 

[Noname Given]

They jumped Tilly 5 ranks from Ensign to Acting Commander... That's the very definition of jumping to the end.

The first time in command is supposed to be simulators, and then boring night shifts where they can call in a proper officer if something actually important happens to get the person used to being in command.

And yes actually it is giving command of the ship over, because that's the job of a ships second in command when the captain runs off.


Tilly is one of the main characters, try again.

Especially since they wasted two episodes on a backdoor pilot for their Section 31 show.

Tilly is still an Ensign she is not a Commander. Don't confuse her bridge position with her rank.

this isn't the first time in Ensign has been given command of a starship in Star Trek either. So yeah when they give her her own ship then you can tell me they've jumped to the end of her arc.

she's not an actual captain yet and she's got a few more years to go before that happens.

 

[Hawku]

My takeaway from this episode: They walked to the cliff edge of Scarborough Bluffs where it's not allowed.

 

[Fateor]

Tilly is still an Ensign she is not a Commander. Don't confuse her bridge position with her rank.

Wrong, she was very specifically made acting commander.

Ahead of pretty much every much much much more qualified person on the ship.

This isn't the first time in Ensign has been given command of a starship in Star Trek either. So yeah when they give her her own ship then you can tell me they've jumped to the end of her arc.

Cool, now name one that didn't go through the academy's command track or pass every single one of the command tests?

Can't? Oh well silly me, that's because there isn't one.

She's not an actual captain yet and she's got a few more years to go before that happens.

Given her current showing I think you mean decades.

 

[ozzfloyd]

Wrong, she was very specifically made acting commander.

Ahead of pretty much every much much much more qualified person on the ship.


Cool, now name one that didn't go through the academy's command track or pass every single one of the command tests?

Can't? Oh well silly me, that's because there isn't one.


Given her current showing I think you mean decades.

Saru plainly addresses her as Ensign in this episode's 1st act.