Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x11 - "Su'Kal"

[jackoverfull]

Also just when was Kaminar admitted to the Federation? The welcoming committee is wearing the grey style uniforms, so just "recently", post 29th century?

I was under the impression it was a new, so far never seen before, uniform.

Right. Guess Tilly's not caught up on her tech manuals. Or something something sphere data, take your pick.

goid to remember: was tilly bluffing? An important point in season 2 was that the sphere data wouldn’t allow for self-distruct.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Holodeck episode. God damn it.... I thought Trek was finally done with those with the death of TNG and Voyager. Not impressed

Silly reaction. It doesn't matter how often something is used as long as it is used well. I thought this was an effective use of the holodeck trope and it felt different than past uses.

How the heck will our plucky heroes get out of this jam they are in?

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say they take back the ship.

 

[Discofan]

Silly reaction. It doesn't matter how often something is used as long as it is used well. I thought this was an effective use of the holodeck trope and it felt different than past uses.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say they take back the ship.

This reminds me of when Sisko and team had to abandon DS9 to the dominion.

 

[Paul755]

Didn't exist in the TOS era. Kirk's only alternative in "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" is to blow up the ship.

but it seemed like Kirk always had armed red shirts/security guards standing on either side of the turbo lift doors. So there was some attempt to keep the bridge secure.

 

[Paul755]

This reminds me of when Sisko and team had to abandon DS9 to the dominion.

Or “invasive procedures” where the mostly abandoned station gets taken over by a small group in order for that unstable Trill host candidate to take the Dax symbiot.

 

[cooleddie74]

We don't know when official first contact with Bajor took place, but it's still possible that people in DSC/TOS' time frame knew about the Bajorans even if they hadn't met them. Bajor's civilization is much older than any member of the Federation...

Plus the Kelvin Timeline knew about Cardassians as early as 2255 so it's possible that the Prime Timeline had also known of both the Cardassians and neighboring species like the Bajorans by DSC and TOS.

 

[flandry84]

I wonder why phasers aren’t issued during red alerts.Or at least security posted to key areas.

Tilly’s performance just highlights for me bad decision making by Saru and Vance(who should have put one of his people in Disco’s command chain.

 

[antinoos]

and isn’t there a mention of “the Bajoran trade markets” in one of the previous eps?

Yeah, the Bajoran exchange I think

 

[Nerys Myk]

Why was there no intruder alert? Seems like a writer oversight. Also, in TNG “Rascals” there was a command function suspension they could do to prevent the ship from being usable. You would think DSC would have this too?

Well that would have been useful in the five zillion times the hero ships have been taken over in the history of the franchise.
WORF: Where's that disable button?
THE END.

he’s a full captain but clearly inexperienced. Not sure he comes out so well in the movie, he doesn’t seem to have many ideas and it’s basically Kirk to devise a “strategy” (strategy being mostly “go in and hope for the best, but ok).

Tilly comes off better than Harriman or Esteban.

Since when can you get boarded when shields are up? Shields at 54% are still SHIELDS!

One of those this cant happen except when it does situation that permeate Star Trek.
Or the Chain has transporters that can punch through weakened shields.

I've enjoyed the season to date but the reveal of the Burn was predictably under whelming. An Galactic level event being caused by a stupid child in a Nebula is hardly an interesting story IMO. Could of done a whole new species, a new threat or used the Temporal Cold Wars but instead we get a child and a planet somehow affected the entire Galaxy's supply of Dilithium...

I found it much more interesting than most of the guesses out there and makes for a more personal story. And that's one of Star Trek's strengths. The Doomsday Machine is a superior episode to The Immunity Syndrome because of Decker 's presence.
The "somehow" is the child was mutated by his environment (dilithium, radiation, subspace). Not that unusual in Trek (Charlie Evans, Garth) and has vast powers, again not unusual in Trek (Gary Mitchell, Wes Crusher, Charlie Evans again).

But I just do not get how both Burnham and Culber recognize the Bajoran species... Romulans were a surprise like 3 episodes ago, but an unknown race in the 23rd century is no problem. Although, I get Burnham could have learned about the Bajorans from her year with Book as the Cardassians were around...

Do we even know how long the Federation has been interacting with Bajorans? There is no official first contact with them. They seem to be a known quantity when we first meet them in "Ensign Ro".

 

[Nerys Myk]

but it seemed like Kirk always had armed red shirts/security guards standing on either side of the turbo lift doors. So there was some attempt to keep the bridge secure.

Did he? I seem to recall Pike have them in "The Cage", but not in TOS.

 

[Lord Garth]

I wonder why phasers aren’t issued during red alerts.Or at least security posted to key areas.

Tilly’s performance just highlights for me bad decision making by Saru and Vance(who should have put one of his people in Disco’s command chain.

Yeah. I don't blame Tilly. She was in way over her head and did the best she could.

This is primarily on Saru for not putting Nillson or another Lieutenant in the position (with a promotion in rank to go with it). And on Vance, to a lesser extent, for not weighing in a little or having one of his own people in there as First Officer. I bet you Vance will definitely have some words with Saru after this.

 

[cooleddie74]

We know the Cardassians invaded and occupied Bajor around 2308 and had annexed the planet by 2329 but other than that we have no hard data points(nor even soft ones)for when any species encountered the Bajorans. And the Cardassians may well have known about the Bajorans long before they invaded.

 

[El Maestro]

Well that would have been useful in the five zillion times the hero ships have been taken over in the history of the franchise.
WORF: Where's that disable button?
THE END.

Well, sure, it might not make for the most tense drama but federation starships in the wrong hands could murder millions of people so it makes sense there would be all kinds of failsafes in place to prevent any kind of unauthorized use of a ship’s systems. Clever writers could incorporate these into the stories and still make it interesting/fun to watch. Right now we’re essentially blaming Tilly for thin world-building.

 

[Discofan]

I guess this won't be completely solved until January 7...

 

[yenny]

Well that would have been useful in the five zillion times the hero ships have been taken over in the history of the franchise.
WORF: Where's that disable button?
THE END.

Tilly comes off better than Harriman or Esteban.


I found it much more interesting than most of the guesses out there and makes for a more personal story. And that's one of Star Trek's strengths. The Doomsday Machine is a superior episode to The Immunity Syndrome because of Decker 's presence.
The "somehow" is the child was mutated by his environment (dilithium, radiation, subspace). Not that unusual in Trek (Charlie Evans, Garth) and has vast powers, again not unusual in Trek (Gary Mitchell, Wes Crusher, Charlie Evans again).

Do we even know how long the Federation has been interacting with Bajoran, There is no official first contact with them. They seem to be a known quantity when we first meet them in "Ensign Ro".

I'm thinking that Q is involved some how. He saw a child all along and give him the power to defend himself, like he gave Riker a taste of. But didn't told the child that he gave him the power.

 

[Paul755]

Did he? I seem to recall Pike have them in "The Cage", but not in TOS.

from “The Doomsday Machine”

 

[Noname Given]

Since when can you get boarded when shields are up? Shields at 54% are still SHIELDS!

I've enjoyed the season to date but the reveal of the Burn was predictably under whelming. An Galactic level event being caused by a stupid child in a Nebula is hardly an interesting story IMO. Could of done a whole new species, a new threat or used the Temporal Cold Wars but instead we get a child and a planet somehow affected the entire Galaxy's supply of Dilithium...

PLEASE

B&B wouldn't of been this bad.

Yeah right. In TNG's "Rascals" they were worse. Riker can't even get a shot off; And in addition to the Enterprise being taken over in 2 minutes by 3 Ferengi; The rest of the crew is sent to the planet below to mine ore.

(Oh and remember the USS Discovery has a crew of about 180. The 1701-D In "Rascals" had a crew of over 1,000.)

 

[El Maestro]

Yeah right. In TNG's "Rascals" they were worse. Riker can't even get a shot off; And in addition to the Enterprise being taken over in 2 minutes by 3 Ferengi; The rest of the crew is sent to the planet below to mine ore.

(Oh and remember the USS Discovery has a crew of about 180. The 1701-D In "Rascals" had a crew of over 1,000.)

But at least in Rascals there was a failsafe!

 

[Nerys Myk]

Yeah. I don't blame Tilly. She was in way over her head and did the best she could.

Her mission was basically sit and wait. The Chain showing was an unexpected event.

Well, sure, it might not make for the most tense drama but federation starships in the wrong hands could murder millions of people so it makes sense there would be all kinds of failsafes in place to prevent any kind of unauthorized use of a ship’s systems. Clever writers could incorporate these into the stories and still make it interesting/fun to watch. Right now we’re essentially blaming Tilly for thin world-building.

Tense drama will usually win out over "world building". Because that sort of world building sucks the life out of a story.

from The Doomsday Machine”

Okay that's one, back in Season One when they could afford extras to make the ship look well manned. That's one crowded bridge! Techs, guards, a blue skirt and a gold skirt wandering about.

 

[Paul755]

Season 2.